To be fair here, it's not Toyota that is going all-in on hydrogen. It's Japan as a political whole that is going all-in on hydrogen.

Why wasn’t Honda similarly affected?

They were, their electric cars have been pretty bad- super low range (110 miles), low volume production. Their new, competitive cars are based on GM's tech and battery stack.

But they didn’t put out hydrogen-powered vehicles (at least in the US), did they?

They have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Clarity

>The Honda Clarity is a nameplate used by Honda on alternative fuel vehicles. It was initially used only on hydrogen fuel-cell electric vehicles such as the 2008 Honda FCX Clarity, but in 2017 the nameplate was expanded to include the battery-electric Honda Clarity Electric and the plug-in hybrid electric Honda Clarity Plug-in Hybrid, in addition to the next generation Honda Clarity Fuel Cell. Clarity production ended in August 2021 with US leases for the fuel cell variant continuing through to 2022.

In what sense did Toyota go "all in" on hydrogen?

Toyota produces more ICE vehicles than any other drive train. Toyota produces more hybrids than BEVs. And more BEVs than FCEVs.

The Toyota Mirai, for example, has always been a low volume vehicle. There's no sense in which Toyota went all in on it.

The more simple reality is that Toyota produces many drive train types.

They went all in as an alternative to ICE. Their BEVs are very recent. They had people arguing for more than a decade “will it be batteries or hydrogen?” without any serious effort at all to make the Mirai more than a source of confusion and discouragement.

And how does your conspiracy theory explain the low volume production of the Mirai?

Things really are more simple: Toyota's going to build cars and try to sell them. They build multiple drive trains because they can. They will build more of the ones that sell.

It’s not necessarily a conspiracy they might have just been unserious or lazy in forcing the world to make a huge change. They sold very few of them because nobody wanted to buy them because there’s no fuel for them. If they wanted to sell them they needed to build a fuel network.

> they might have just been unserious or lazy in forcing the world to make a huge change

Eh, you want Toyota, a car company, to force you to do things? That's a strange perspective.

> They sold very few of them

Because they produced very few of them. They still don't make very many.

I think we've arrived back at the beginning. You're agreeing that Toyota didn't go "all in" on hydrogen.

Try to ask questions instead of applying your own meaning to my words. We might have had a good conversation that way. You’re right we’re back at the beginning. Have a good day.

There are no questions to ask. You're inventing a narrative that doesn't correspond to the practical reality.

>Because they produced very few of them. They still don't make very many.

Because they rely entirely on subsidies and there’s no good fuel distribution network. They were very serious about hydrogen, they just expected other companies (ICE age fuel distributors) to build that network.

What are you talking about? Toyota has been saying that Hydrogen is the real future of ICE replacement in their own words for years.

I'm talking about the practical reality of what Toyota actually does. I'm not talking about some half-baked conspiracy theory cobbled together from media soundbites.

People into EV dont read statistics. I their worldview everyone bought EVs. Everyone lives in Bay area and drives EVs without touching the steering wheel. Meanwhile thousands pay for 2nd or 3rd hand cheap ICE car. A lot of my friends were shock when they lookup how small EV sales is in the world market. Even in USA, EVs is around maybe at best 5%-10% sales. And that is NEW car sales (with government subsidies). You add in used market, that numbers drop less than 1%. Even even today, Tesla is not even world biggest EV makers.

They went all in on Hydrogen which is maybe just maybe not stupid but then went 0% in on supplying the hydrogen! That’s the really stupid thing which makes it clear they were never serious about it. Tesla matters because of the supercharger network. Without it they would be building super cars for environmentalist billionaires and that would be it.