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Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by ajmurmann on Thursday November 02, 2023 @12:39PM (#38116207)
To your point, should owners of gas stations have to wear AR goggles that block out the huge price signs of other gas stations?
Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by wizerdrobe on Thursday November 02, 2023 @12:46PM (#38116331)
Gas stations buy routine shipments of fuel with fluctuations based on the broader market. Renting out real estate is quite a bit different, you buy it the once and lock in customers… nothing stops me from going across the street for my next 12 gallon purchase.

Seems a stretch to compare the two here…

Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by ajmurmann on Thursday November 02, 2023 @01:52PM (#38117451)
> Gas stations buy routine shipments of fuel with fluctuations based on the broader market.

Not sure how this impacts sales prices. I know gas station owners first hand who pre-everything-being-online were asking for reports of gas prices in neighboring towns to adjust their prices.

>buy it the once and lock in customers… nothing stops me from going across the street for my next 12 gallon purchase.

How often do rental prices get adjusted and how often do tenants move? The frequencies anecdotally seem not that disconnected.

The only reason we are arguing about any of this is because housing supply is super short because of broken zoning and permitting. Build more and take market power away from suppliers!

Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by zeusk on Thursday November 02, 2023 @12:57PM (#38116518)
Just say you operate rentals, don't you?
Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by Plasmoid on Thursday November 02, 2023 @01:13PM (#38116789)
Ad-hominem attacks aren't really allowed here at HN
Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by colpabar on Thursday November 02, 2023 @01:16PM (#38116849)
I love the hypotheticals here.

person a: we should hold ultra wealthy landlords who own hundreds of units accountable when they do bad things that make the real estate market worse for everyone else

person b: well what about my hypothetical grandma? she rents out a unit that is the second floor of her house. she doesn't know how to use the internet and so she is completely outside of the scope of topic at hand, but are you seriously saying that she should be punished just for adjusting prices for inflation? besides, if rent is so high, why can't these people just buy houses?

Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by ajmurmann on Thursday November 02, 2023 @01:59PM (#38117552)
> we should hold ultra wealthy landlords who own hundreds of units accountable when they do bad things that make the real estate market worse for everyone else

Are these "landlords" ultra wealthy or are these property management firms that manage other people's property (like the grandma's from scenario b) or are they real estate investment firms that operate with other people's (maybe even your 401k's) money?

Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by bigtex88 on Thursday November 02, 2023 @01:29PM (#38117065)
Awful, awful comparison. The market for rental units in a city is not even in the same sphere as the market for oil, WHICH IS WORLDWIDE.
Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by ajmurmann on Thursday November 02, 2023 @02:15PM (#38117784)
Your gas station sells across borders?
Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by pixl97 on Thursday November 02, 2023 @02:15PM (#38117794)
Back to your point. If I as a gas station subscribe to a service that says Sell gas at X price, and if price drops below X don't sell gas at all then I do hope you realize all hell would quickly break loose.
Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by mattmcknight on Thursday November 02, 2023 @02:49PM (#38118236)
It's not so much don't sell gas as "don't lower your price below x". If enough gas stations comply, you won't have an option less than x. But it would seem to make the returns from not complying higher, as you would get all of the business.

The problem with housing is that the sellers' supply is limited, those that don't go along with the minimum pricing scheme quickly go to 100% occupancy.

Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by pixl97 on Thursday November 02, 2023 @03:55PM (#38119127)
No, I mean if you did exactly what I stated with gas prices you would be punished under existing gouging laws in most states.
Re:Big landlords used software to collude on rent prices, DC... by neaden on Thursday November 02, 2023 @02:48PM (#38118225)
To be clear, it is illegal for Gas Station owners to collude and set prices and there have been multiple law suits about this. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/570037-ftc-to-...