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Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by lolinder on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @08:10PM (#38107193)
I don't think it's a question of levels of formality in your search terms, I think whether you find Google useful depends on what topics you typically search for.

Google is fine for memes, news, and the other things that normal people regularly look for on the internet. Where it really breaks down is where it used to shine—finding obscure information about highly technical niche topics. Its obsession with guessing synonyms (and ignoring your efforts to tell it to knock it off) is a major handicap for finding any content with a target audience smaller than a few million people, and while stripping out advanced search operators may smooth the path for the 80th percentile of searches, it cripples the remaining 20 percent.

If your assistant stays firmly within the 80% that work, then yeah, Google is better than ever. But they made the 80% work seamlessly by giving up entirely on the 20% that people on forums like this really cared about.

Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @08:50PM (#38107499)
> Its obsession with guessing synonyms (and ignoring your efforts to tell it to knock it off) is a major handicap

I know people say it still doesn't work, but I find adding quotes completely effective for me when I need the precise keyword. Not sure what I'm doing differently.

Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by lolinder on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @09:04PM (#38107614)
It works some of the time for me, but there are frequently cases where I put the word in quotes and Google just pretends I didn't.

It can be really egregious, too: I've searched for `foo` and had it say `Showing results for bar. Search for "foo" instead?` Then I follow the link that it provided and it still is searching for `bar` with the same prompt to refine the search, even though the double quotes are clearly still present.

Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by Tanoc on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @11:47PM (#38108779)
I can concur. Just yesterday I was searching for something specific and thought I was sleep deprived or just generally losing awareness because I could swear I typed a very specific name in, only for it to show up in Google's search results (not the search bar) missing the last letter with no "Did you mean ---?" or "Searching for ---. Look only for |||?". I tried it again, and it did the same thing. I switched from Google to Google Image Search and watched it in real time delete that last letter from the search bar where I'd typed the term in. I went to show an acquaintance immediately after, only for the behaviour not to repeat itself. It made me feel like I was going crazy.
Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by adamc on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @08:50PM (#38107504)
This is the best analysis I've seen in this thread.
Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @11:15PM (#38108570)
3 months ago, I needed to figure out how to get the UK government to tell a multinational's pension service managers that I am not subject to taxation on a 35 year old pension plan because I am a US tax resident. It involves first getting the US government to certify my residency to the UK. If that's not niche, I don't know what is.

Google was excellent, the process took me about 2-3 hours to get everything clear in my head, the documents went off in the mail, and the certification has been issued in the UK.

So yeah, I don't know what your experience is, but it's not mine.

Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by Mistletoe on Thursday November 02, 2023 @02:07AM (#38109547)
I think a really perverse form of the Pareto principle has been working against us since at least the Eternal September. But I get it, I’m never the target audience for anything and everything I like is always discontinued. I wouldn’t have it any other way, as the alternative is quite scary.
Re:The People Who Ruined the Internet by Ferret7446 on Thursday November 02, 2023 @03:20AM (#38110000)
That "finding obscure information about highly technical niche topics" needs to actually exist on the Web and not on the dark Web; that is, linked from somewhere so a search engine can crawl it.

That is generally no longer true, due to human nature and the rise of walled platforms and/or non-Web platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Discord, Medium, Mastodon, Reddit, etc. Most content is either private, or public as part of an offhand comment/discussion thread. Actual public pages with high quality content are near extinct.

In the few cases where it may be true, the results are sorted for the common denominator, especially since most people who would be looking for such niche information have disabled personalization, so Google can only assume that you are an average person who wants common denominator results.