Rubbish, complete rubbish.
Israel never aimed at 5 year olds
Well that's odd, because hundreds, thousands are dead, so they're aiming at soething nearby aren't they?
But it's easy to get up on a high horse here...
You are the one on the high horse, trying to justify the murder of many, many children to meet some end is fine ?
A ceasefire is like a surrender.
No it's not. Israel controls basically everything, food, water, electricity, internet. They can perform siege warfare and win the battle that way. There is no need to level the whole place.
What source do you have for that? The Hamas is in control of all the information that comes out of these...
> Well that's odd, because hundreds, thousands are dead, so they're aiming at soething nearby aren't they?
Thousands of kids aren't dead. So far I saw a Hamas representative on the BBC claiming that they didn't kill civilians. Another one claiming that they won't bring civilians into their secure tunnels because they are only for the Hamas...
Why is Israel at fault here and not the Hamas?
In WW2 in 1944 the allied forces aimed at a Gestapo headquarters and hit a hospital. This was a mistake. It was not their fault. Modern warfare is more accurate. Israel doesn't hit hospitals even though the Hamas placed its headquarters under a Hospital.
Still the casualties can't be blamed on Israel by any stretch of the imagination.
> You are the one on the high horse, trying to justify the murder of many, many children to meet some end is fine ?
Whose justifying?
It's terrible. I'm just casting the blame in the right direction.
> > A ceasefire is like a surrender. > > No it's not. Israel controls basically everything, food, water, electricity, internet. They can perform siege warfare and win the battle that way. There is no need to level the whole place.
If Israel controls everything then where do the Hamas get all these anti-tank missiles and the rockets sent into Tel-Aviv on a daily basis? Even now???
You are being fed a narrative and bought into it. The Hamas is the one robbing its people of these things. Siege warfare would harm the civilians far more, it would starve off these children first and the Hamas would deny them the water/fuel reserves they keep in the tunnels. Just for the photo-op to show the "cruelty of Israel". They would starve every child in Gaza and blame it on Israel while sitting in the tunnels and eating the reserved food. They would also starve the hostages and send those videos. That's the type of monsters we're dealing with.
Again, don't get me wrong. Israel is terrible in the west bank and on normal days I would agree. But there's terrible/bad, then there's pure evil. Pure evil can't be fought off easily. It will kill everyone it can.
Israel isn't "leveling the whole place". It is targeting very specific areas where they know about Hamas activities. E.g while the south was bombed too, it is mostly untouched by comparison to the north.
But let's talk about ceasefire and deals with terrorists. A few years ago the Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier. Israel agreed to release 1,000 prisoners in exchange. They promised that they would not participate in further terrorist activities and were releases. Approximately 70% of them took part in October 7th. They spent years arming up for that day and practicing in Iran for that "mission".
These people have used every ceasefire and every negotiation as a weakness. They are motivated by a singular religious goal. The destruction of Israel. They will never stop and they will never stop sacrificing their own people as pawns in the "game". The only chance the Palestinian people have to get out of their control (and Israels control) is if the Hamas is gone completely.
We want thoughtful, respectful, curious conversation across differences. I know that's virtually impossible with emotions as strong as with this particular set of differences, but in that case it's best to just refrain from posting.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
We want thoughtful, respectful, curious conversation across differences. I know that's virtually impossible with emotions as strong as with this particular set of differences, but in that case it's best to just refrain from posting.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
From the article [1]:
Hamas’s armed wing, al-Qassam brigades, said seven civilian hostages were killed in the strikes on Jabalia, including three foreign passport holders.
So they did blow up seven hostages.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/01/jabalia-camp-a...
I have friends within Gaza. And guess what also hostage friends in Gaza.
Don't believe Israel won't bomb the Gazans. But do believe Israel won't bomb the hostages... They don't know where they are so OBVIOUSLY they won't blow up random locations so they won't hurt them... You are falling for Hamas lies.
> I agree Hamas should give hostages back and surrender, but tell me what this has to do with a 5 year old child being blown to pieces again? Why should they have to pay for what some "adults" have done?
Israel never aimed at 5 year olds and specifically warned about the places where it would attack. The Hamas places civilians in these areas so they can sway minds exactly like in this case...
But it's easy to get up on a high horse here... What do you suggest? A ceasefire is like a surrender. They will gather their forces and keep the poor hostages. Every ceasefire in the past was used to get more weapons and fight harder. This has to end for the Gazan people too. They have been under the yoke of the Hamas for too long.