You guys need to stop arguing like this on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

We want thoughtful, respectful, curious conversation across differences. I know that's virtually impossible with emotions as strong as with this particular set of differences, but in that case it's best to just refrain from posting.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.