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Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by djmips on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:18AM (#38094843)
So have any research on why the waistlines today are not remotely comparable to 1970?
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by oijkuij on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:30AM (#38094912)
One possibility: we have been collecting learning to use our feet less throughout life.

"In 1969, 48 percent of children 5 to 14 years of age usually walked or bicycled to school (The National Center for Safe Routes to School, 2011). In 2009, 13 percent of children 5 to 14 years of age usually walked or bicycled to school (National Center, 2011). In 1969, 41 percent of children in grades K–8 lived within one mile of school; 89 percent of these children usually walked or bicycled to school (U.S. Department of Transportation [USDOT], 1972). In 2009, 31 percent of children in grades K–8 lived within one mile of school; 35 percent of these children usually walked or bicycled to school (National Center, 2011)."

[Source](http://guide.saferoutesinfo.org/introduction/the_decline_of_...)

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by raws on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:35AM (#38094938)
Yeah I'd believe a stronger sedentary lifestyle is the biggest factor in the waste line stagnation if the diet is not the same. They did not have omnipresent smartphones in 1970.
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by arketyp on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:01AM (#38095068)
Heck, back in my days, we kids at least had to walk to each other's house to play video games together.
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by anonymouskimmer on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:02AM (#38095073)
I wonder how jobs have changed too. I started gaining weight when I switched from a delivery job to a lab job.
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by hn_throwaway_99 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:03AM (#38095075)
Yeah, I always get a bit amused when people point to one sole food or environmental issue ("microplastics!" says one comment) to blame for the obesity epidemic, when there are two glaringly obvious pieces of data:

1. As another commenter posted, total calories consumed per capita has gone up considerably since 1970.

2. As you posted, we move a lot less than we used to. There are tons of studies that confirm this across a number of different metrics (e.g. average grip strength has gone down considerably since the 80s, https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/13/4815909... ).

We eat a lot more, of more foods that have higher calorie-to-nutrient ratios than we used to, and we move a heck of a lot less.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by somenameforme on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:14AM (#38095129)
The amount of calories burnt through exercise is completely negligible. For instance running a mile at a good pace will generally burn around 100 calories, the same as you get from eating about one banana, or about drinking about half a bottle of Coke.

Exercise does have many positive metabolic and other benefits, but not anywhere enough to be a causal explanation on its own. If people started walking 5 miles a day, every day, not only would there still almost certainly be a widespread and growing obesity epidemic, but there's even an argument that it could be worse. Increases in activity tend to drive increases in hunger which will typically surpass caloric deficits if somebody is not actively controlling their diet, in which case they would not be fat in the first place.

This is made even worse by misleading advertising which will do things like showing fit athletes drinking Gatorade, Coke, etc during their training or competition. And somebody goes and does a couple of miles on a training bike and does the same thing - which is going to send their net caloric input skyrocketing.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by profile53 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:34AM (#38095216)
On the other hand, 50 calories x 365 days a year x 20 years x 5,000 calories per lb of weight = 75 lb of additional weight.

> Increases in activity tend to drive increases in hunger As far as I know, certain types of high intensity exercise do so but not necessarily all exercise.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by somenameforme on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @08:48AM (#38097499)
I'm not fond of the calories/lb calculations because everything's really relative to where your caloric equilibrium point is, but this is an aside. Let's take your numbers at face value, and now consider that in 1970 the average American was eating 2,025 calories. Whereas by 2010 we were up to 2,481 [1] - a total increase of 456 calories/day!

If we take your numbers at face value, that'd be a delta of 684 pounds per 20 years. Again kind of an obvious indicator why these long term calorie/pound measurements are pretty dubious, but at the same time also an indicator of why diet is just so much more important than exercise for weight management.

[1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/13/whats-on-...

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by RandomLensman on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @03:23AM (#38095462)
Proper physical activity burns a lot of calories, especially when its cold. It also changes some metabolic components, so not just the burning alone has an effec. It will not necessarily lead to hunger surpassing calorific deficits (and at very high activity it isn't even possible to eat enough to cover the deficit).
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by hgomersall on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @03:26AM (#38095472)
Exercise does more than just use calories, it also changes blood glucose profiles, and I suspect lots of other metabolic things too, given how impactful it is on general health. It's distinctly plausible those things influence weight.
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by watwut on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @04:59AM (#38095975)
I can regulate my weight by doing sports regularly or not with zero conscious attempts to change what I eat. And yes, non sports like taking daily walks have measurable effects too on me.

People who stop doing sports suddenly gain weight. People who get into sports habit like running or swimming slowly loose weight.

So, imo, this uber simplified model of just don't work like that.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by Fricken on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @06:25AM (#38096521)
I've been going for longer bike rides. A 100 km ride will more than double my calorie needs for the day. I eat a high calorie meal before I ride, I drink sugary beverages and eat chocolate bars (about 1 per hour) during the ride, and then I eat another big meal after I'm done. It's insane how much I need to eat when I'm actually getting exercise, I don't know what you're talking about.

Presuming one does not replace the burned calories, even walking 5km a day will burn the calorie equivalent of about 80 pounds of fat over the course of a year. It adds up. Conversely, not walking 5km a day adds up. After suffering a broken leg I spent a couple years largely sedentery in my late 30s, and I put on 25 pounds in that time. I snapped out of my stupor, started exercising again, and burned it off in short order.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by 462436347 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:29AM (#38094902)
It's probably multifactoral. For example, here's a recent provocative paper from a highly respected researcher (John Speakman) arguing metabolic rates have actually slowed since then: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10445668/

But two decades of "fat doesn't make you fat" probably didn't help, and neither did the continued trend of increasing empty calories from cheap vegetable oils, especially soybean oil: https://thedietwars.com/why-are-americans-getting-fatter-a-f...

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/charts/59529/indicators_goa...

>Added fats and oils provide more calories per day for the average American than any other food group

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by kmoser on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:35AM (#38094937)
A massive increase in environmental plastics may also have something to do with it.

"The scientists theorize relationships among the global increase of plastics production, human exposure to microplastics, and the global increase of overweight and obesity in populations." https://www.niehs.nih.gov/research/programs/geh/geh_newslett...

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by bsder on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:34AM (#38094930)
In spite of sugar, a lot of people went hungry.

You can note that average male height in the US continued increasing up until the late 1980s.

That points to a general caloric deficit up until roughly 1990--which is roughly where we claim the "obesity epidemic" kicks off.

Also, a graph of sugar doesn't include calroic fillers like "soy protein" which now seems to be in everything.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by 462436347 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:37AM (#38094951)
> You can note that average male height in the US continued increasing up until the late 1980s.

Fat is estrogenic, and estrogen accelerates growth plate fusion.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by 462436347 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @11:26AM (#38099531)
> Fat is estrogenic

I meant bodyfat specifically

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by fulafel on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:43AM (#38094977)
Sugar's effect to 1970s waistlines would be determined by preceding decades. Insulin tolerance and other MBS things develop slowly over a person's life.
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by Jensson on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:46AM (#38094996)
I think a major factor is that today people eat a lot of food designed by engineers to maximize sales. Designs that makes people overeat probably increases sales so they optimize for that.

So we should expect people to continue to get fatter as we get better at engineering food.

Note that I don't think that engineered food is inherently bad, just that today most food are engineered to be unhealthy because that is better for sales.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by chefandy on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:42AM (#38095253)
There are lots of "common wisdom" answers to this but almost every one spins out pretty quickly. Look at the snack foods readily available in Japan.
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by Jensson on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:54AM (#38095312)
What about them? Are they designed to make you overeat? Or do they fill you up? I don't know which is why I ask. It is possible that they regulated things differently or their food companies had different values so they engineered snacks and fast food to not make you overeat.

As I said, engineering food isn't bad in itself, it depends on what goals you have when you engineer it. Just because Japanese people eat a lot of engineered food doesn't mean it is bad for them if that food wasn't engineered to make them fat.

Many say they slim down as they visit Japan, so I wouldn't rule it out.

What I'd want to see is if two countries that has the same snacks available had vastly different outcomes. But as far as I know most countries has domestic snacks so it varies wildly around the world. For example, why is Czechia much fatter than Slovakia? They were the same country 30 years ago.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by Mawr on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @03:28AM (#38095477)
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by chefandy on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @10:38AM (#38098778)
Ok, so this time look in good faith? Japan is famous for their huge variety of junk food.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpgXdQ0QXRA

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by Mawr on Saturday November 04, 2023 @11:43PM (#38147912)
I'd be surprised if the ratios matched up exactly. That'd mean the only factor dictating the level of obesity is food culture. Not likely.

I'm sure Japan has a variety of unhealthy foods, I don't see how that matters. That unhealthy food exists in Japan doesn't tell us anything about how much of it people actually eat.

That's why I linked the video, its author talks about the experience of the average person, here's an exact link: https://youtu.be/lr4MmmWQtZM?t=176.

I cannot stress this enough, the only thing that matters is what is readily available to the average person. That's the determining factor of most people's diets, not what's theoretically possible to purchase.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by fsh on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @01:46AM (#38094997)
That part is pretty clear. People are eating more calories than they did in 1970. The more difficult question is: why are they doing that?
Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by somenameforme on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @02:44AM (#38095266)
One simple explanation is protein. Modern diets have terribly low protein levels, and much of that protein comes from sources with extremely poor digestibility [1], meaning the effective protein consumption levels are even worse than they seem.

Protein is a major appetite suppressant. I'd read this but never really realized how true it is until starting on a protein heavy diet. I now eat near 500g of chicken breast a day, and by the end of the day I'm basically having to force feed myself. Yet 500g of chicken breast is less than 800 calories! And the other stuff is just to balance out my diet.

And I love eating as much as anybody else. But you simply cannot eat that much when you're on a protein heavy diet. Finding data on protein consumption rates over time is difficult, but I'd hypothesize we were probably much higher on effective protein consumption in the past. I know absolutely nobody that regularly had something like 'steak and eggs' for breakfast, yet it seems that was indeed a thing at some point.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestible_Indispensable_Amino...

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by fulafel on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @05:10AM (#38096066)
Meat consumption per capita has almost doubled since 1960: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-meat-consumpti...

Meat consumption is associated with higher BMI: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32443920/ (summarized in: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200615/Vegetarians-have-...)

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by somenameforme on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @07:31AM (#38096929)
That's world, not USA. And the obesity inflection point was in the mid to late 70s. Total USA meat consumption since 1980 is up about 9%, with an interesting shift in distribution (as per the ourworldindata link): -11kg beef/year, -4kg pork, and +31kg poultry. It also says nothing about protein. Those numbers should suggest an increase in protein, but that's not entirely clear due to changes in the way food is consumed and the way it's measured. For instance a 10 piece set of McDonalds chicken nuggets weighs around 163 grams, but contains only 23g of protein. By contrast 163 grams of chicken breast contains just about exactly 50 grams of protein. The more processed something is, the more it tends to drift from its nominal nutritional value, and people are certainly eating more processed junk than ever before.

Observational studies on diet are completely irrelevant because they invariably end up comparing some group of people opting into some diet or another, versus the population at large. An apples to apples comparison would be something closer like comparing those on a long-term vegetarian diet to those on a long-term carnivore or keto diet. The idea is to just make sure you control for the "I care about my diet and have sustained dietary self control" variable.

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by somenameforme on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @08:55AM (#38097566)
That's world, not USA. And the obesity inflection point was in the mid to late 70s. Pew has an excellent study on American diets from 1970 to 2010 here. [1] In short our consumption of meat, in terms of calories, is pretty much flat-lined, and at an abysmal 400. But grain products, fats/oils, and sweetener consumption has skyrocketed.

Something you have to keep in mind in modern times is also food processing. A 10 piece set of McDonalds chicken nuggets weighs around 163 grams, but contains only 23g of protein. By contrast 163 grams of chicken breast contains just about exactly 50 grams of protein. The more processed something is, the more it tends to drift from its nominal nutritional value, and it's safe to say that a much larger chunk of people's "meat" is also coming from these sort of heavily processed meat-like foods.

As for the studies, you have a common bias they suffer from. You're comparing some group of people opting into some diet or another, versus the population at large. An apples to apples comparison would be something closer like comparing those on a long-term vegetarian diet to those on a long-term carnivore or keto diet. The idea is to just make sure you control for the "I care about my diet and have sustained dietary self control" variable. Unfortunately actually controlling studies means you'd get far fewer exciting headlines and bullet points for our CVs.

[1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/13/whats-on-...

Re:U.S. Sugar consumption trend from 1970-2021 by jdietrich on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @03:02AM (#38095351)
The obvious answer is more calories. The obvious answer for why more calories is pretty obvious to non-Americans - your portion sizes are crazy, albeit everyone else in the world is catching up. Even if you buy a "healthy" meal in a quick service restaurant or as a pre-packaged retail product, the smallest portion size is still likely to be grossly excessive.

The obvious answer for why portion sizes are increasing is that food keeps getting cheaper, in particular relative to other costs in the food service industry. The traditional formula for restaurant pricing is 1/3 ingredients, 1/3 labour and 1/3 overheads; if your food costs have decreased over time but your rent and labour costs continue to increase, it's natural to increase portion sizes to maintain the appearance of value-for-money. The same would apply (to a moderately lesser extent) to convenience foods sold at retail. This has a quite drastic anchoring effect - when you normalise excessively large portions, reasonable portions seem meagre.