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Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by medler on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:39PM (#38088523)
“I found myself reflecting on how smart the average person is. Maybe they don’t know calculus. Maybe they’ll never read Ulysses. Maybe they can’t code. But they definitely know how to identify bullshit when they see it.”

How could anyone believe this? “Average” people fall for bullshit all the time.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by onionisafruit on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:44PM (#38088606)
Think of how smart the average person is. Now realize that half the world is _even smarter_. It blows my mind.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by NegativeK on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:48PM (#38088659)
Everyone single one of them is better at something than you are.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by golergka on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:47PM (#38088645)
You're talking about median, not average.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by RationalDino on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:49PM (#38088677)
Since IQ falls on a very good approximation to a bell curve, it's "close enough for government work".

Besides, it is a paraphrase of a well-known George Carlin quote.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by rngname22 on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:46PM (#38088624)
My own intuition is that there are people who call bullshit often enough that they are often wrong and falsely accuse others, and there are people who always assume the best intentions and good faith on other actors but often miss being bullshitted, but that overall the accuracy of both groups in sensing and correctly identifying bullshit or non-bullshit is commonly, universally poor, and accurate bullshit-detection is a skill that is held by a minority. And further, that someone like the author who would assess an average person as being good at detecting bullshit is likely the type that thinks everyone is bullshitting all the time (and so is in fact able to evade being bullshitted with some frequency) but also commonly falsely accuses others of bullshitting when the other is operating honestly (not to say the other might not be stupid, or selfish, or naive, or have different values, etc, but not bullshitting). If you accuse everyone of being full of shit all the time, you might avoid signing up for a predatory loan but you'll probably also burn some bridges socially that if you'd known the truth you would have mended.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by SirMaster on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:49PM (#38088680)
"How could anyone believe this?"

Because like he said, the average person is not so smart, I guess including themselves haha.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by contravariant on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:51PM (#38088718)
If we're derailing the discussion anyway, 'knowing' calculus and reading Ulysses is more of a matter of interest than intelligence, and being able to code covers a wide spectrum of skill.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by Jcowell on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @08:27AM (#38097332)
Not really interest more so than opportunity or need. i’m willing to bet more so people know calculus because they had to (for a degree) then they wanted to
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by NegativeK on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:54PM (#38088764)
It's some gross arrogance to assume that smart people, for whatever the author thinks that even means, won't be tricked by a scam at some point in their lives.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by closewith on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @02:06PM (#38088932)
I'm not even convinced intelligence generally correlates with bullshit detection.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by skybrian on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @01:55PM (#38088767)
It's one thing to fall for bullshit under the right conditions (like, you want to believe) and another thing to be unable to see the bullshit when a smart prosecutor lays it out for you in detail.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by vkou on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @02:23PM (#38089178)
> “Average” people fall for bullshit all the time.

Average people fall for bullshit all the time when the charismatic bullshit artist is able to spin the setting, facts, and narrative.

The rules around a criminal trial are designed in such a way to give prosecutors plenty of opportunity to shut that down. And prosecutors are very, very experienced at playing in that arena - far moreso than even a serial bullshitter is.

Also, there's a lot of selection bias that goes into being a victim of fraud. It's true that some kind of fraud will work on just about anybody, but no particular kind of fraud is guaranteed to work on a particular person. Jury selection is semi-random, it's not pulled from the pool of people who respond affirmatively to Nigerian Prince spam-emails.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by jowea on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @08:07PM (#38093025)
To give one potential similar example, it seems Elizabeth Holmes' charisma made an effect on at least some of the jurors.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried doesn't recall by JohnFen on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @09:08PM (#38093433)
> “Average” people fall for bullshit all the time.

Everyone falls for bullshit. Not all fall for the same flavor, but everyone has a flavor they'll fall for.