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Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by ddoolin on Monday October 30, 2023 @12:40PM (#38071878)
The algorithm just gives you more of what you asked for. :)
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by ufish235 on Monday October 30, 2023 @12:45PM (#38071942)
It’s always funny to make a tongue-in-cheek joke about this, but asking for fewer thirst traps is still a legitimate request from people who click them.
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by bonton89 on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:28PM (#38072598)
Imagine a gambling addict or an alcoholic asking to see fewer casino and booze ads and being told stop complaining because "the algorithm just shows you what you want"
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by yakshaving_jgt on Monday October 30, 2023 @12:46PM (#38071983)
Is this true? I'm under the impression that social media platforms can't tell the difference between looking at some content because you enjoyed it versus looking at some content because you don't like it and you're confused why it's being served to you.
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by runako on Monday October 30, 2023 @12:59PM (#38072143)
It doesn't matter because

> The algorithm just gives you more of what you asked for.

It doesn't matter whether you asked for more because you hate it or love it. The algorithm prioritizes identifying the content with which you will engage.

Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by mcpackieh on Monday October 30, 2023 @04:38PM (#38075450)
No. "What you asked for" is a bold faced lie. By your account it shows you what you engaged with, even though you literally didn't ask for it.

And even "engaged with" is bullshit. What the hell does "engage with" even mean? What you really should be saying is it gives you more of what you pause scrolling on. That is neither asking for something, nor "engaging".

Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by emgeee on Monday October 30, 2023 @12:59PM (#38072136)
I imagine after enough times clicking on content out of confusion, preference become clear
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by matsemann on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:00PM (#38072163)
No, it gives you what's trending for the categories you're into. I like biking. What kind of biking content does get the most likes and is therefore suggested on Instagram? Woman in tight clothes with unzipped tops. I'm into skiing, what kind of content do I get? Girls skiing in bikinis. I'm following some coaches for a sport I participate in, what kind of content do I get? Girls in yoga pants doing exercises at the gym.

For every category, there will be someone doing a sexualized version of it. Those get lots of eyeballs and likes, and hence get boosted into suggestions for that category. And it's not like I get every post like that. But often enough that I no longer scroll in public for fear of what NSFW things will show up.

Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by matsemann on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:47PM (#38072928)
But this reminded me of another thing once popping up in my feed: my own private pictures.

I first got a bit shocked. Did I accidentally post these to Facebook?? But no, it was just a suggestion from Facebook, "share these photos". But I was on the bus, I didn't expect these photos to suddenly be on my screen for those around me to see (pictures of a medical condition). And it creeped me out that Facebook was looking through my phone's gallery when I'm not explicitly doing it to upload an image.

I ended up blocking file access for Facebook. Which now makes it impossible for me to post pictures. Which in turn of course means I barely post anymore. Great thinking, PMs.

Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by Ajedi32 on Monday October 30, 2023 @03:26PM (#38074453)
I find it obnoxious that Facebook doesn't use the default system file picker.

With other apps I can easily select photos even if they aren't locally available on my device. With Facebook I need to manually download the files from Google Photos, paste them into a local device folder, and only then will they actually show up in Facebook's weird, poorly-designed photo picker UI. Not exactly the best user experience.

Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by matsemann on Monday October 30, 2023 @03:36PM (#38074565)
Yeah, the same with Messenger. Want to send someone a photo from last year? Good luck scrolling through their clunky interface a thousand pictures back, vs just using the jump-to-month in my native gallery app.
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by pb7 on Monday October 30, 2023 @03:45PM (#38074679)
Android problem that doesn’t exist on iOS because Apple keeps a leash on them. Walled garden is nice like that.
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by beezlewax on Monday October 30, 2023 @02:55PM (#38074019)
This kind of content used to never show up on my Instagram feed but one day I tapped a few too many profiles deep and now I have the same issue. Pure trash
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by yieldcrv on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:07PM (#38072287)
not true, it gives you more of what you engaged with

if you looked for a few seconds longer = engagement

if you read the comments in disgust = engagement

if you commented in disagreement, even to reply to another comment = engagement

Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by cowboy_henk on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:09PM (#38072343)
This feels a bit like saying that the opioid epidemic is due to drug users buying more. Sure, all of them made a decision at some point to start using. But that doesn't remove the responsibility of those pushing the product to at least allow users to say "please stop" and then actually stop.
Re:Meta to Charge for Ad-Free Versions of Facebook and Insta... by rchaud on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:55PM (#38073085)
That's BS. You haven’t seen their their algorithm and neither have I. Tech companies are far too quick to refer to their little opaque boxes as having supernatural powers to "show me what I want".