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Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by Levitz on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:22PM (#38061204)
That makes sense though. I can hardly imagine any effort put 10.000 years ago that would be valuable now, with the technological difference.
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by reactordev on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:31PM (#38061269)
Yeah humans can measure progress afterwards but are terrible planners for anything beyond ourselves and next of kin.
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by bobthepanda on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:40PM (#38061345)
I mean, how would you even do maintenance over 10,000 years?

At some point your descendants will be too far to remember the reason but not far enough to need it and they’ll stop wasting resources on a nothing activity.

Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by withinboredom on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:56PM (#38061486)
People still do some maintenance on the 8k year old Afghanistan water system (underground aqueducts) because they are still used today. I’m failing to find some good sources, but when I was there in 2008, it was something the Army Core of Engineers was investigating on my base.
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by bobthepanda on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:57PM (#38061510)
That solves an immediate need though, not a once in a few ten thousand year disaster.
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by kaz-inc on Sunday October 29, 2023 @06:48PM (#38063625)
this[1] places them at 3k years old: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by withinboredom on Sunday October 29, 2023 @06:54PM (#38063664)
That sounds more right to me than a memory of some random conversations from nearly 20 years ago.
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday October 29, 2023 @03:05PM (#38061568)
You could write exactly what this is and what you’re supposed to do with it on a big stone plate outside…

Then in 10,000 years, find that an entire religion, culture, and wars were built around the simple maintenance instructions.

Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by bobthepanda on Sunday October 29, 2023 @03:27PM (#38061762)
Outside, on Mars.

So we have to assume we will maintain the ability for human Mars travel in ten thousand years, that anyone can read English or whatever in ten thousand years, and that the supporting religion didn’t lose any of its wars.

To put this in perspective our first evidence of any human agriculture was 12,000 years ago.

Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by hattmall on Monday October 30, 2023 @12:16AM (#38065622)
Yeah, maybe, ever heard of the Georgia guidestones? They lasted ~ 30 years...
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by blamestross on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:31PM (#38061274)
Progress is exponential until "surprise it is a sigmoid!" I'd argue we are there already, but even if we aren't planting seeds is rarely a waste in the long term.
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by dehrmann on Sunday October 29, 2023 @04:51PM (#38062658)
Only 5,000, but look at the pyramids. They're cool to look at, and the construction is fun to think about, but they're utterly useless. For any sort of 10,000 year space project, there's little (1%) harm in having a 100-year cool-off period to see if it still makes sense and how far technology has come.
Re:Mars Lost Its Magnetic Field – and Then Its Oceans by pchristensen on Sunday October 29, 2023 @05:14PM (#38062879)
Road networks in cities are probably the most durable creations.