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Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by drzaiusx11 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @11:19AM (#38059370)
Likewise, and have been burned enough times that I can _usually_ recognize the patterns within my first few weeks at an org (assuming they were clever enough to "hide" the institutional level problems during the interview process.)

A sample of my "Giving a shit" checklist includes: Do they not utilize metrics or care when they tank? Do the rank and file engineers have a general malase and use terms like "not my problem" with impunity? Does management continually deprioritize critical "keep the lights on" work eg security patches WHEN they are fully aware of the repercussions (this knowing is key.) List of red flags goes on.

No org is perfect, but why endure the pain when it can be avoided. Especially so when it can easily be recognized early enough in many cases.

Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by ProllyInfamous on Sunday October 29, 2023 @11:34AM (#38059539)
During my IBEW apprenticeship, I worked at two several-MW datacenters. One was a public agency, the other a private enterprise.

Recently the private data center was sold to some international holding company, and it brought a smile to my face recollecting a conversation I had once with [now-former] CEO:

"The data center is just a trick pony show we use to sell our real product."

Glad they did well on the sale to new foreign owners. Definitional evil.

Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by Geezus_42 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @11:50AM (#38059703)
Zix/Appriver?
Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by 8n4vidtmkvmk on Sunday October 29, 2023 @12:12PM (#38059926)
My company uses metrics and I hate it. The best way to improve metrics? Decrease vertical height so you can fit more shit on the page. Is this actually good for anyone? Probably not.
Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by Bjartr on Sunday October 29, 2023 @12:27PM (#38060112)
Actually giving a shit means you care about whether or not you're pursuing the right metrics
Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by drzaiusx11 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @05:53PM (#38063212)
Either you're not measuring anything useful with your current metrics or you fall into not giving a shit category
Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by spacecadet on Sunday October 29, 2023 @03:13PM (#38061640)
Duuude, I bailed on a startup a year ago that gas lit the shit out of me during interviews (I had red flags but stupidly ignored them) and left in the first 2 weeks when all of the red confirmed true. 8 months later, lay offs.
Re:Giving a Shit as a Service by captainmuon on Sunday October 29, 2023 @03:48PM (#38061996)
> Does management continually deprioritize critical "keep the lights on" work eg security patches WHEN they are fully aware of the repercussions (this knowing is key.)

One variant is when Management punishes you for bringing something up by making it your task to then fix it. I think they don't do this on purpose, they often just don't think about it. And it leads to a culture of "don't tell the boss". I've seen some really dire problems swept under the carpet because of this.