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Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by WalterBright on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:19PM (#38027783)
We tried UBI with the multiple stimulus checks. The result was inflation, which more than ate that all up.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by verteu on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:41PM (#38028153)
How do we know inflation was due to the stimulus checks, and not due to supply chain issues caused by covid/Ukraine? IIUC, "European nations largely avoided the one-time payments" [1] but suffered the same inflation [2].

[1] https://fox8.com/news/stimulus-checks-how-much-money-did-peo...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%932023_inflation_su...

Edit: After a bit more research, this is less clear -- many European countries provided large unemployment checks during covid.

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by WalterBright on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:12PM (#38029540)
Inflation is the result of creating money to fund the deficit, it is not caused by supply chain issues.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by tonyedgecombe on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:30PM (#38029798)
Supply chain issues definitely do cause inflation. Don't you remember what happened to car prices when the manufacturers couldn't buy enough chips for them?
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by WalterBright on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:17PM (#38032407)
Now that they can buy enough, why is there no corresponding drop in car prices and deflation?
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by tonyedgecombe on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:04AM (#38035541)
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by WalterBright on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:43AM (#38035771)
3 years of monthly increases, and a small one month drop. When they return to what they were 3 years ago, we can talk.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by verteu on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:53PM (#38030138)
Not true -- inflation can be caused by multiple things, including supply shocks or even future expectations of inflation ("wage price spiral").

It's Econ 101.

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by WalterBright on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:15PM (#38032393)
Your Econ 101 professor is wrong.

The proof is simple. Why did we not have deflation when the supply shocks ended?

The value of money is subject to the Law of Supply and Demand like everything else is. Increase the number of dollars, and the value of a dollar goes down.

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by verteu on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:21AM (#38039664)
Probably due to low unemployment [1]. Inflation has multiple causes.

If it truly has a single cause ("creating money"), can you show a graph of "money created" vs inflation? I don't see much correlation between ∆M2 and inflation [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_curve

[2] https://www.longtermtrends.net/m2-money-supply-vs-inflation/

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by WalterBright on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:19PM (#38042702)
Looks like they correlate to me.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by tonyedgecombe on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:29PM (#38029778)
The UK supported business payrolls directly rather than giving money to the general populace but we still have a problem with inflation.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by bombcar on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:25PM (#38027892)
Sadly UBI will probably work best when it's not U.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by gottorf on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:36PM (#38028067)
I'm not convinced that any UBI program will remain either U or B for very long. The numbers just don't work out. At least, not until we have "fully automated luxury gay space communism"-level technology.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by WalterBright on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:41AM (#38034763)
Given 300 million people in the US and $1000/mo UBI, that works out to $3.6 trillion a year.

So ya, that's not going to work.

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by striking on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:23PM (#38027851)
This isn't UBI.