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Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by ryandrake on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:06PM (#38027563)
I forget what exactly caused me to stop visiting Slashdot. Probably the redesign was when I started finding other sites to visit. Same with Fark. Another big crappy redesign that drove users away. Then Reddit. When will sites learn?
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by demondemidi on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:42PM (#38028155)
I still visit /., I just avoid the comments because its 4chan-y in there. My first /. account was created in 1997.

What I like about /. interface is that there is a summary under each article, and there are only ~10 articles on the main page, and I find the topics more focused on what I'm interested in.

HN is just a flood of random stuff and I'm usually only interested in ~10% of what's on the front page, compared to 80% of /. front page. HN needs channels.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by gadders on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:07PM (#38028566)
How can you tell when your account was created? I know I was reading it pre 9/11 but can't find an "account created on" page.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by pavon on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:42PM (#38029060)
If you go to Achievements in your profile, there is one for years read, which shows a date that I assume is the account creation date.

Correction: Doing the math, it looks like the date on which the achievement was earned, so subtract off the years read from the date to get account creation date.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by ydant on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:11PM (#38029523)
Doesn't work for mine. I just have "Days Read" (no "Years Read"). My "Days Read" is a small number and dated 2009, but I was posting comments in 2007. All of my achievements are from 2009.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by schlauerfox on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:55PM (#38031573)
In the early culture your slashdot id # of digits was bragging rights, at the time I was proud of my 6 digit, but the culture there is very toxic now and all it means is I was older or an earlier "lucky 10000". Status seeking is a childish endeavour, but in my defense I was a child.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by ta1243 on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:29AM (#38036022)
You must be new here...
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by gadders on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:29AM (#38036026)
My 10 years read is in 2003, which would mean I started reading in 1993, but Slashdot says they only started in 1997.

I do have an id in the 7x,xxx range. Not sure if I can work much out from that.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by demondemidi on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:36PM (#38028966)
There's this thing called "human memory", heard of it? :) Kidding. It is easy for me because I was living in Porto for a year and I chose my username to be the street my apartment was on.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by cmdrtaco on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:40PM (#38031409)
Public user accounts on slashdot were created in 1998 :)
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by demondemidi on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:26PM (#38032493)
Ha! Awesome. Thanks Cmdr. Yeah that was 25ish years ago, as I said in a different post I was living abroad for a year that spanned 1997 into 1998. I was off by a few months apparently.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by tastyfreeze on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:25PM (#38027893)
Slashdot->Digg->Reddit->HN for me. Almost exclusively on HN these days. For me the transition from one to another was graduated where I visited multiple sites daily. As the "new" grew and covered more of what I liked to read about I stopped using the "old". Quality of comments and discussion is the secret sauce for me. Redesigns never really bothered me.

Slashdot holds a special place for me though. It just happens to be the first place I commented and joined in discussion with a large group of strangers.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by alberth on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:34PM (#38028034)
This was exactly my same progression.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by echelon on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:44PM (#38030015)
"Same" would be a low-effort comment; I think this was the path a lot of us have taken.

Today's Reddit is a mire of ephemeral pop commentary, censorship, and automated flagging. It's like the leadership cares about engagement, not discussion, and they're willing to let people talk into the ether to drive the numbers up. The audience quality bar has substantially dropped in all but the most niche topical subreddits as well.

Twitter and the spinoffs are all too high drama for me to engage in regularly. Everyone is playing morality sports or trying to game for traction.

I miss being able to hold a no-stakes, high quality discussion amongst peers. I feel like we need anonymous P2P social networking. I don't like other parties being the arbiters of information flows, and I also don't like bad agents seeking to tear down those that go against their personal brand of ideology.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by acomjean on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:40PM (#38028123)
And everyone dunks on Craigslist for not modernizing it’s design….
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by hotnfresh on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:01PM (#38028473)
It's the only major(?) site my elderly dad can consistently use without assistance.

One big factor: once he learns where something is, it doesn't move.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by TedDoesntTalk on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:19PM (#38027787)
For me it was the copious anonymous posters who ruined the comment sections with garbage.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by slater on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:39PM (#38028112)
That's what the comments settings were for!
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by sumtechguy on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:44PM (#38029078)
I was a AC for a long time. I made a comment someone didnt like and they followed me thru all the discussions to keep the conversation going. So I just posted AC and moved on with my life.

The funny one was someone on soylent posting AC and then would sign each one with their name. Never got that one...

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by mattbee on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:49PM (#38030081)
The in jokes became racist and nobody seemed to care.

Seemed like a sad end to a site that was pioneering in community moderation.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by gopher_space on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:32PM (#38032531)
The tone went from rough-and-tumble, big tent libertarianism to hate filled right wing politics. From weird and funny to stupid and rude. I didn't want to be contaminated by that thinking or have my name associated with it, so I moved to Reddit where eventually the same thing happened.

There's some kind of Godwin's Law corollary here that revolves around whether your board removes "I'm just asking questions" posts or not.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by mattbee on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:57PM (#38032714)
I don't see Reddit as one place like Slashdot was one place. I'm sure it still has horrific subs, but the ones I'm on are little islands of well-moderated chit-chat, local jokes and retro-computing.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by Loughla on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:24PM (#38027882)
Redesign hit right when reddit started to blow up. That's what killed /. For me. I didn't want to learn a new system and old reddit was STUPID easy to slot into and start using.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by vinaypai on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:16PM (#38027736)
Selection bias at work here. Most sites that have been around along time have redesigned at some point, and you always get some vocal users complaining about it.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by pixl97 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:20PM (#38028737)
Eh, I have to say it's probably not just selection bias directly.

Most of the time you have to ask the question, who is the redesign for, and what is it attempting to accomplish.

Especially in the case of sites where you have mostly a base of technical users and the site is looking for more generalist users to join to "increase engagement for profitability reasons" then don't be surprised when all the technical users are pissed.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by downWidOutaFite on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:28PM (#38027937)
The network effects are way stronger these days so they're able to withstand user-hostile actions like ad-friendly redesigns. Since the social networks are much bigger now and network effects are n^2 they're becoming unstoppable. I think we're stuck in this local optimum for a while. I kind of hope AI bots ruin it for everybody and we have to come up with something new.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by philjohn on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:11PM (#38027648)
For me it was Digg (pre redesign) then Reddit and hn
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by slater on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:10PM (#38027634)
New tagline for /. - Enshittification pioneers since 1997
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by georgeburdell on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:42PM (#38028167)
I started going there in 2003 and stopped around 2013. For me it was the shift toward an ever more ornery comment section. Public discussion in general seemed to get a lot worse around the time Obama was elected, and /. was one of the last sites to fall
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by randomdata on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:43PM (#38028183)
Reddit seemingly learned. It is why old.reddit.com is still around.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by mattl on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:00PM (#38028457)
For now. The .compact view was removed recently.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by OfSanguineFire on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:20PM (#38029663)
It doesn’t matter if old.reddit.com is still there. Only a tiny percentage of people know about it and use it. Everyone else is posting from the new website or app, and largely from phones, which absolutely has had an impact on the culture there.

For example, subreddits used to have FAQs and wikis in the sidebar. The redesign hid all that, so on many subs people are asking the same questions over and over again. Mods who lock such posts and refer posters to a FAQ, often get lambasted by the community, who can’t see any FAQ. This may have been an intentional part of the redesign, since repetitive posting registers as greater “engagement” for Reddit’s metrics.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by fturst on Thursday October 26, 2023 @03:15PM (#38030422)
I dont think Reddit would want to make their own internal metrics worse, they arent getting paid for that. They needed to go mainstream though, and the best working tactic out there was (still kinda is) simplification and infinite scroll. Reddit did both.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by yetanotherloss on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:56PM (#38030183)
They're intentionally killing it slowly through malicious neglect. It's already unable to deal with some things in user profiles and the image galleries which force you into the new awful.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by justsomehnguy on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:45AM (#38036086)
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by hotnfresh on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:00PM (#38028445)
> Same with Fark.

"You'll get over it."

Yeah, I never did.

I use m.fark when I browse it, even on desktop. The desktop site remains awful. Both are worse than the pre-redesign site.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by romanhn on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:08PM (#38028571)
At one point I realized that Slashdot was reporting on stories that showed up on HN days earlier. It was a quick transition for me, despite daily usage of Slashdot since '99 or so.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by artificialLimbs on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:16PM (#38028681)
Once they sold to Conde Nast, it went downhill quick.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by ThinkingGuy on Thursday October 26, 2023 @01:57PM (#38029299)
Honestly, for me Hacker News fills the roll that Slashdot did for 20 years. I was reading them both daily for a while, then realized that I could save time by just following HN.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by zem on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:06PM (#38029437)
I stopped when reddit came along because the reddit engine was simply more pleasant to use. even when I browsed slashdot regularly I almost never commented because something about the ux was off-putting.
Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by taylodl on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:10PM (#38029514)
I pretty much stopped visiting /. when CmdrTaco left. A colleague at the time turned me on to HN and I've been here ever since.

PS: I just signed into /. for the first time in years. My account is still active and my karma is positive! It's been 26 years since I created that account! It's probably my oldest account on the internet.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by jzb on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:00PM (#38031629)
Twitter. Twitter caused me to stop visiting Slashdot. I visited /. because I found things out on /. before I read the same thing elsewhere. That stopped happening at some point - I'd see something on Twitter and then see it on /. a day or two or a week later.

Gradually I stopped visiting Slashdot at all. And then I read that Rob left, and I was like "yeah... makes sense."

Note: Worked for Sourceforge from mid-2005 to mid-2007 on other properties. Met Rob once or twice... wasn't particularly friendly, but this was while Slashdot was still in its heyday and I'm sure he was burned out on making small talk with other folks. Jeff Bates (hemos) was a decent guy, reported up through him for a while IIRC.

Re:Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda – Hacker History Podcast by bryan_w on Thursday October 26, 2023 @09:05PM (#38033554)
For me it was when they evolved into daily "Windows vs Linux" articles that they would pump for content.

You could see the manipulation from a mile away.