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Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by pdonis on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @07:40PM (#38007228)
> if you are actually congested, go to the pharmacy counter and get Pseudoephedrine

Yes, that's what works for me. And of course it used to be available OTC just like useless phenlyephrine until the government decided to control access to it because of fears of meth--while still allowing phenylephrine to be available OTC even though it can also be used to make meth.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by azinman2 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:02PM (#38007447)
Not fears, but actual improper usage.
Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by goodluckchuck on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:34PM (#38007692)
What does that even mean?

If you try to keep milk cold by putting it in the oven, that’s improper usage. It won’t stay cold.

If you’re saying people are trying to get high and are successful getting high, then it sounds like they’re accomplishing their goal and their usage of the product is proper for their intended use case.

Edit: Oh, you’re saying you don’t like what others are doing, but aren’t actually willing to state the fact that its just like your opinion man.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by pdonis on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:49PM (#38007792)
No, fears that leaving it available OTC would result in lots of people using it to make meth. Which, as far as I can tell, was a fantasy: yes, lots of people were using meth, but there was no real evidence that they were using OTC pseudoephedrine to do it. (And, as others have pointed out elsewhere in this discussion, there is no need to go through all the work of making it from pseudoephedrine when the Mexican drug cartels can provide it cheaper anyway.) Which makes the government's position rather like the old joke about the man who claimed to have invented anti-tiger dust:

Look at this wonderful anti-tiger dust I've invented?

But this is the USA, there are no wild tigers within thousands of miles of here.

See how effective my dust is?

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by CodeAndCuffs on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:03PM (#38007455)
I mean we can see a demonstrable and quantifiable MASSIVE decrease in meth usage and overdose circa 2005 when the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act went into effect.

Also, it's still available without a prescription, last I checked, it was just behind the counter/required an ID to track if you're grabbing a pack from every Walgreens in a 50 mile radius in a single night

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by technothrasher on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:12PM (#38007536)
> I mean we can see a demonstrable and quantifiable MASSIVE decrease in meth usage and overdose circa 2005 when the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act went into effect.

Really? I couldn't find any data from that far back, but data from 2009 on shows that meth usage, overdose, and arrests climb pretty dramatically pretty much every year.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by Arrath on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:05PM (#38007474)
> Also, it's still available without a prescription, last I checked,

That's jurisdiction dependent. I had to remember to pack some when traveling for work in Oregon, since it was not available, even behind the counter.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by 2devnull on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:24PM (#38007616)
Do you know it was pseudoephedrine?

I remember you could buy bottles of mini-thins at the pos of pretty much every liquor store in the country in the late 90s/early 00s. Used to be sold in bottles of 100 for like 5 bucks.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by goodluckchuck on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:29PM (#38007658)
Source?
Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by quickthrowman on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:19PM (#38007587)
> I mean we can see a demonstrable and quantifiable MASSIVE decrease in meth usage and overdose circa 2005 when the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act went into effect.

It’s now synthesized in industrial sized cartel owned labs in Mexico using Chinese precursors and smuggled into the US, there’s no reason to keep pseudoephedrine restricted when it’s easier and cheaper to just buy the plentiful and cheap meth on the street.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by Fatnino on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:54PM (#38008615)
Cheap meth can't compete with free shop lifted ingredients in homemade meth.
Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by pdonis on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:47PM (#38007775)
> it's still available without a prescription, last I checked, it was just behind the counter/required an ID

Yes, which effectively makes it the same as needing a prescription because you can only get it if the pharmacy counter is open. Which is more restricted hours than the drugstore or grocery store itself.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by Fatnino on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:53PM (#38008608)
My sister is on the short side. She went to the counter to buy some of this stuff and the pharmacist refused to believe her ID that said she was (substantially) older than 18. Granted, it was a California issued ID and the pharmacy was in Illinois, but still, what the hell?
Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by Nursie on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @01:43AM (#38009531)
Here in Australia we have the same restrictions on pseudoephedrine, possibly worse ones (you have to show ID and it gets recorded centrally so you don’t just pharmacy-hop)

And it’s done nothing. Hasn’t affected availability. Hasn’t cut down on illicit lab operations. Nothing.

People will say “It has cut down on the amount of pseudoephedrine going to illegal meth operations”, as if that in itself is a useful outcome instead of utterly meaningless.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by cwsx on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @02:42AM (#38009893)
When I lived in Sydney I had a few friends that frequently bought Rikodeine (dihydrocodeine cough syrup), which is also meant to be tracked via pharmacists recording IDs. My friends knew what pharmacies didn't bother to track it, normally if you were a 'repeat' customer and knew the pharmacist. They were able to buy 10~ bottles in a day from 8 - 10 pharmacies, repeating every few days. This was also in Sydney's central cbd so there's a pharmacy every other block.

I assume the situation is similar with pseudoephedrine, though the drug class/restrictions may be different.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by Nursie on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @05:12AM (#38010831)
Interesting you can get rikodeine at all, given that even mild (8mg) codeine tablets are now prescription only here. That stuff (from a quick search) appears to still be available OTC.

As someone who has always used low-dose codeine+whatever analgesics when I have had a bad cold or migraine, I resent these being removed from the market recently as well. People can tell me that paracetamol and ibuprofen are just as effective until they're blue in the face, but that little bit of opiate uplift when I'm feeling like absolute shit was very psychologically helpful... Oh well, this is the world we live in.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by technothrasher on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:04PM (#38007470)
> until the government decided to control access to it because of fears of meth.

Passed as part of the Patriot Act re-authorization bill in 2005, because everybody knows terrorists and pseudoephedrine go hand in hand.

Re:CVS ditches common cold meds after FDA advisers say they'... by justinjlynn on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:49PM (#38007789)
If I recall correctly, it was the resulting cash flow that needed to be laundered, and the potential of those operations to eventually result in the funding of terrorism, that was the alleged concern.