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Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by bluGill on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @05:26PM (#38005871)
You don't want dynamic routing. You want frequent predictable routing.

Dynamic means you call and 1-15 minutes later a bus comes. Then it takes you to your destination, but you have no idea when you will get there because sometimes it takes long detours for someone else.

Frequent predictable routing means when you feel like leaving you just walk out the door confident that the bus will be there soon (even if you see it pulling away just as you arrive), and you quickly learn which buses to transfer to, to get where you want to be.

Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by xnx on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @09:20PM (#38007993)
That seems like very 20th century thinking. We should be aspiring to shape public transport to the needs of the riders instead of making the riders learn fixed routes and transfers. Waymo is very likely to be superior to existing public transportation in all dimensions for almost every transit need. There might still be a role for big buses and trains in the peak of rush hour (if that still exists).
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by bluGill on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:20PM (#38008399)
The needs of the rider are predictable. You cannot make shared vehicles both flexible and predictable. Fixed routes are predictable and thus easy to plan your life around. When fixed routes are also frequent there is no sacrifice in that.
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by bumby on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @09:40PM (#38020697)
I don’t think the needs of the riders are predictable. Large upfront costs and static design routes are a major risk (see the Detroit public transit that serves areas no longer of much interest and is often empty). That’s why many politicians favor buses as an example; they’re flexible enough to move with demand.
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by supertrope on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @05:56PM (#38018898)
Public transportation depends on a critical mass of customers with significant overlap in their trips. If you deviate from fixed routes you start to describe a taxi service.
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by bumby on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @09:38PM (#38020682)
Depends on what you’re trying to optimize for. Flexibility? Sure. Energy utilization, congestion, or GHG emissions? Probably not.
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by fshbbdssbbgdd on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:03PM (#38008662)
The problem is for the bus to stop near you, it has to stop often. To stop often, it has to move slowly, which means it will take forever to get to your destination. A separation of local and express busses you transfer between could possibly help. But if the theory is that you’re going to take a local, to get to an express, to get to a local near your destination, then you’ve wasted a ton of time on transfers. Good luck getting to your destination in less than an hour.

I’m a fan of public transit and have experienced many good public transit systems. The unfortunate truth is that in any neighborhood with less-than-extreme population density, you have to shape your life around the system by living and working near core transit lines to get reasonable travel times. That works great for people who can do that (I’ve done it myself!), but a better system could aim higher to serve the entire public. The American built environment simply can’t be adequately served by traditional bus networks.

Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by watwut on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @03:15AM (#38010105)
Living in city with frequent stops, the stops do not slow them down so much. IF you add "looking for a parking place" into estimation for a car, going by bus is frequently faster (which is why I frequently pick bus - it is more predictable and faster).
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by fshbbdssbbgdd on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @07:36PM (#38019757)
No need to look for parking when you call the robotaxi.
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by watwut on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:22AM (#38023106)
Then of course you wait for robotaxi.
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by pbmonster on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @07:09AM (#38011531)
> The problem is for the bus to stop near you, it has to stop often. To stop often, it has to move slowly, which means it will take forever to get to your destination.

Add bus lanes and smart traffic lights (giving busses permanent green waves), this stops being the case. Busses should never be stuck in traffic. That's bad for scheduling and makes them needlessly unattractive.

Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by vel0city on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @10:59AM (#38013533)
But the bus is already stopped, its in my garage waiting for me. And I don't need to figure out what bus lines I need to change to or understand their schedules, the route for this bus happens to be exactly where I want to go.

I'm generally pro-transit and continue to vote for it, but in many places and routes a car is often more convenient if one can afford it.