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Re:A Controversial Plan to Scan Private Messages for Child A... by jvanderbot on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @02:49PM (#38003488)
When you lump all legislation, government initiatives, reforms, taxes, etc together and say "this is a cohesive, person-like entity I can reason about" you will definitely find contradictions everywhere.

Just within a business or bar or family, dissenting opinions are everywhere. Unlike a business, every little opinion and workgroup and project are a matter of public record and are aimed at affecting public policy. So yeah, it sure seems like "They" are a bunch of hypocrites.

And if you want to go further and lump _all pollsters_ into the group of like-minded, coherent entities that never dissent from eachother ... well, why stop there? Why not the "other party" as well? Or reptile people?

Re:A Controversial Plan to Scan Private Messages for Child A... by NoMoreNicksLeft on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @03:38PM (#38004276)
> When you lump all legislation, government initiatives, reforms, taxes, etc together and say "this is a cohesive, person-like entity I can reason about"

But it is actually a person-like entity. It is a weak hivemind composed of humans who have (for the most part) had their own individualistic tendencies suppressed or even eliminated.

It's the most human-like non-human you'll ever see.

It's not unfair to think of it as person-like. It's not unreasonable to think of it as person-like. It is, in many cases, dangerous to think of it in any other way.

But, there are people out there who find it inconvenient to their political ambitions if you think this way (or, really, there are politics-entities out there for whom it is inconvenient and who dangle their semi-individual chelicerae out to belittle and chastise you for it).

> Or reptile people?

Reptile people would be a relief. They just want to eat babies and impersonate the queen or something.

Re:A Controversial Plan to Scan Private Messages for Child A... by zosima on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @03:46PM (#38004386)
> Just within a business or bar or family, dissenting opinions are everywhere. Unlike a business, every little opinion and workgroup and project are a matter of public record and are aimed at affecting public policy. So yeah, it sure seems like "They" are a bunch of hypocrites.

This is simply not true. See e.g. here, how the commission does not publish dissenting internal comments in the official meeting minutes: https://www.ftm.eu/articles/controversy-between-european-com...

Re:A Controversial Plan to Scan Private Messages for Child A... by jvanderbot on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @06:06PM (#38006333)
OK, so everything I said was true except

> matter of public record

referring to

> every little opinion and workgroup?

I think we're discounting inches. Perhaps not public record always in all countries, but my broad strokes comment stands.

Re:A Controversial Plan to Scan Private Messages for Child A... by zosima on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @07:12AM (#38011560)
This is the damn minutes from the commission meetings, which are being censored, not every little workgroup. And furthermore, this is not common knowledge. Most people are lead to think that the commission publishes full minutes from their meetings.

I can assure you that the censoring goes much deeper than this. EU and especially the commission are not being open, while working hard to create the impression that they are.