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Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by tonnydourado on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:02PM (#37949988)
> that the thing about ketamine/psilocybin/etc that is helping with depression is not some latent property of the molecule, but rather the actual transcendent experience

I thought the same thing when reading the article, but then I started to wonder how the fuck would you double blind that?

Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by omginternets on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:31PM (#37950200)
Well, you wouldn't. It's largely a metaphysical stance rather than a scientific one[0], which I suspect is precisely why modern medicine is struggling to engage with it.

[0] Mostly. Part of it falls under Dennett's notion of an intentional stance, but that requires us to take self-report seriously, and so precludes a number of experimental designs.

Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by contrarian1234 on Friday October 20, 2023 @01:00AM (#37952527)
give patients a strong sedative (or after a period of sleep deprivation) and administer the drug while they're asleep?
Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by astrange on Friday October 20, 2023 @01:58AM (#37952782)
Could give them a psychoactive that's not reputed to help with depression. As long as they don't know what a trip looks like they won't know you gave them DMT when they're talking to the machine elves.
Re:Ketamine's effect on depression may hinge on hope by travisjungroth on Friday October 20, 2023 @02:55AM (#37953118)
You don’t. It’s fundamentally incompatible. But that’s fine.

People are able to acquire knowledge in ways besides randomized, controlled, double-blind trials. Nearly all knowledge is acquired in some other way. I say this as someone who writes A/B testing software for a living.