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Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by sickofparadox on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:34AM (#37930168)
The utility is on the name: cryptoCURRENCY. Before it became a speculative asset, crypto faced the issue of adoption, now that it is one, it faces the issue of not being useful as a way to facilitate transactions.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by stouset on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:37AM (#37930221)
Do you think it be possible that—despite the name having the word “currency” in it—the technology might just be poorly matched to what most people expect and need from a currency?

That might explain its almost complete lack of real world use as a currency outside of a few scenarios of economic collapse.

Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by aidenn0 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:37AM (#37930222)
It doesn't help that the most popular cryptocurrency is intentionally deflationary. Deflationary currencies are terrible units of exchange.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:54AM (#37930518)
Gresham's Law: Bad money drives out good. If cryptocurrency is deflating, it's becoming more valuable with time. The dollar is inflating - it's becoming less valuable with time. So given the choice, I would pay with dollars and hold crypto. That's just normal human behavior. But while that may make crypto a good investment, it makes it a terrible unit of exchange, as you say (or at least a unit of exchange that will only be used as a last resort).
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by giantrobot on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:38AM (#37930242)
But cryptocurrencies were designed to be deflationary which makes them shitty currencies. There's no point in spending a cryptocoin today when its value will be higher tomorrow.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by jonkho on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @12:14PM (#37930835)
But fiat currencies were designed to be inflationary which makes them shitty store of value. There is no point in saving in fiat today when it’s value will be lower tomorrow.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by orwin on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @12:51PM (#37931356)
Exactly, working as intended.

You want people to hold real assets, not imaginary ones like a currency, because you want people to be invested in your economy. The only intrinsic value a currency have is taxation.

Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by HDThoreaun on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @01:15PM (#37931679)
Currencies aren't supposed to be a good store of value, just a predictable store of value. Investments are supposed to be good stores of value. The government very much does not want people hoarding currency.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by giantrobot on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @01:28PM (#37931883)
We don't want people just stuffing dollars in a mattress. That doesn't help either themselves or anyone else. So we encourage putting dollars/currency into interest bearing vehicles or real assets.

We don't want dollars to sit in hoards. We want them to circulate. If I can be without access to dollars for a while I can loan them to you for some enterprise. Then you pay me back more than I loaned you (and more than inflation we hope) because your enterprise created additional value.

If my excess money circulates I benefit from access to the things that money is used to build in addition to the interest I receive. Since I'm not a medieval landed noble my economic value isn't measured by the productivity of the serfs on my land holdings.

Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by tromp on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @01:24PM (#37931831)
Most cryptocurrencies were designed that way, but some have a so-called tail emission making them disinflationary. One even has a completely linear emission of 1 coin per second forever since launch.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by dale_glass on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @02:34PM (#37932773)
That doesn't help because inflation needs to be in tune with the economy, so somebody has to be able to adjust the amount. If the tail emission is too small then it's still deflationary. If it's too big, then there's too much inflation.

To adjust properly there has to be somebody who decides what "in tune" is. We're either back to centralization, or it's some sort of popularity vote which is unlikely to produce the right result.

Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by aidenn0 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @02:54PM (#37933037)
It might be possible to have it self-tune to transaction volume, no?
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by dale_glass on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @05:46PM (#37935197)
It's not about the volume, but about the economy though. If somebody keeps sending coins back and forth between their own wallets, that's not economical activity.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by aidenn0 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:29PM (#37938000)
Assuming there is a charge for transfers, that sets a minimum bound on the expected global utility of a given transfer, the sum of which, would intuitively be correlated with the size of the economy.
Re:Binance US No Longer Allows USD Withdrawal for Users by uoaei on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:59AM (#37930586)
I can call my fists "cancer-eradicating super-machines". Does that mean my fists are good at killing cancer?