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Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by PrayagBhakar on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @10:41AM (#37929387)
I’m confused why folks think long covid isn’t real? Most disease have long lasting effects. Why not covid?
Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by CWuestefeld on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:08AM (#37929781)
why folks think long covid isn’t real? Most disease have long lasting effects. Why not covid?

Without endorsing this one way or another: that's precisely the argument. There does exist a general "post viral syndrome". Since that is already known, why jump to the conclusion that a separate post-covid syndrome exists, as opposed to this just being another example of the same?

Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by thenerdhead on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:23AM (#37929972)
Because there are different pathogens at play…
Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by CWuestefeld on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:53AM (#37930492)
That might turn out to be a pivotal argument. But as it is, it proves too much: it denies the existence of a general post-viral syndrome. Since we do know that viruses, as a general phenomenon, can lead to effects like what are being reported, the default assumption ought to be that this is just one more such example. From there, researchers could attempt to show that this is (or is not) qualitatively different.

Skipping a known likely cause to search for something more specific seems like a potentially much more difficult path, and by pursuing it this way it also seems likely to miss out on the possibility of helping those suffering from post-viral syndrome that's not connected to covid.

Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by thenerdhead on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @12:09PM (#37930759)
Let's back up.

Post-acute infection syndromes (PAIS) is an umbrella term. Many fall under this. Long flu(not new, but new research suggests the phenomenon based on long covid research), long rsv(not new, just more recognized when kids get it and develop asthma later in life), long covid, etc. Larger list here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01810-6/tables/1

Researchers are actively pursuing PAIS and the research being done for long covid is making breakthroughs in PAIS and PAIS populations like ME/CFS. It has become so prevalent that this year there have been multiple centers focusing on it. EX:

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/post-acute-infection-...

Nobody is skipping likely causes, if anything we are driving forward today on hypotheses that could help all PAIS (i.e. viral persistence, autoimmunity, chronic inflammation, reactivation of latent viruses).

Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by ChrisRR on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:02AM (#37929708)
Just ignore them. These nutjobs are made not believing in covid the entire personality so that they could feel smart, and now they have to cling to that belief instead of accepting reality
Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by Manuel_D on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @12:42PM (#37931225)
There's a vast difference between denying the very existence of COVID-19 and skepticism of long-COVID. Nobody doubts the existence of Lyme disease. The existence of Chronic Lyme disease is generally rejected.
Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by psychlops on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:07AM (#37929766)
There will always be people out there that will never believe in things that seem rational. Covid has been the subject of misinformation on all sides for years and will take decades to clear up, if ever.
Re:Low serotonin levels might explain some Long Covid sympto... by orwin on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @11:07AM (#37929763)
What's puzzling is that everyone know that influenza can have long lasting effect.

Even the 'no mask, no vaccine' crowd agree that Covid is at least an aggressive and more contagious influenza (and some even agree that the first variants were worse)

You will still have people denying long-lasting covid damage.

I mean. Viruses cause lasting damages to a small percentage of people. Covid-19 is a virus.

The next step is easy.