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Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by wincy on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @07:43PM (#37923041)
Okay so 6% increased chance of dementia for those with ADHD.

Maybe there’s something neurologically wrong from the beginning that manifests as ADHD and later turns into dementia?

It’s definitely weird how I am just completely unmotivated by anything for months at a time then suddenly will be intensely motivated and impossibly into something new.

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by chaorace on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:36PM (#37923474)
ADHD is statistically associated with lots of adverse mental health outcomes including...

* Doubled rate of premature death (largely attributed to accidental injury)

* 47% anxiety disorder comorbidity

* 38% severe mood disorder comorbidity (including depression)

* 15% substance abuse disorder comorbidity

Between the heightened risk of concussions, anxiety, depression, and substance abuse, it's not at all surprising that dementia shows up twice as often in the statistics. With that being said, it doesn't tell us much at all about whether there's a shared pathology.

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by jonathanleane on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:16PM (#37923329)
It's not a 6% higher risk, it's nearly double the risk - i.e. 7% vs 13.2%.

"Dementia occurred among 96 of 730 participants (13.2%) with adult ADHD and 7630 of 108 488 participants (7.0%) without adult ADHD."

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by Turskarama on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:51PM (#37923595)
For those who might not know, this is the difference between "percentage" and "percentage points". It is not 6% higher, it is 6 percentage points higher.

This really matters for things with a very low probability.

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @09:17PM (#37923774)
> It is not 6% higher, it is 6 percentage points higher.

And the difference between the two is?

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by freshpots on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @09:52PM (#37923986)
https://www.stat.fi/meta/kas/prosentti_vs__p_en.html

"Per cent means one hundredth of something. Percentage point is used when comparing percentages to one another. For example, when inflation drops from three to two per cent, inflation decreases by one percentage point and 33.3 per cent."

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by ksaj on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @10:31PM (#37924251)
This is a nice simple explanation of it. It's also why stock holders use "points" instead of "dollars." A stock share going up $1.50 is amazing if it was a penny stock, and absolutely not worth mentioning if it was say, Tesla. But the points have the same meaning for either stock - one is just a lot higher of a point than the other, even though the dollar change was the same.
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by Zecc on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @10:08PM (#37924108)
A percentage always reflects a ratio between a quantity and another reference quantity. When you say a value is 6 percent higher, you are saying it went from X to (X + X*(6/100)) = (X*106/100) = 106% of the value you had before (whatever it was).

When you say it is 6 percentage points higher it means you had a percentage Y% and it is now (Y+6)%, a value which cannot be determined unless you know Y, never mind the reference absolute value it relates to.

In this particular case you can say it went from 7% to 13.2%, so if you ignore "%" as the unit the actual change is from 7 to 13.2; a ((13.2-7)/7) ≈ 0.8857 = 88% change. Had the original percentage been say 67%, a 6.2 p.p. change would have increased the percentage to 73.2%; a much smaller ((73.2-67)/67) ≈ 0.0925 = 9% change.

Had the change been "six percent of seven percent", the new value would be 7+7*(6/100) = 7.42 (percent).

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @10:55PM (#37924384)
TIL thanks! Upvoted you and the other reply. Appreciate the breakdowns!
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by alfon on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @07:47PM (#37923072)
I have a brain disease driven by an infection that gets better with long term antibiotics.

One of my main symptoms was MCI. Interesting that after long term treatment not only the MCI improved or subsided but also my very long standing ADHD (present for as long as I can remember) got dramatically better, makes you wonder.

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by crzyman on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:24PM (#37923384)
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. ADHD can be phrased as a regulation disorder. Emotions, executive function/ attention. If anything internal (literally any kind of pain) presents itself for my attention, it wins. No contest.

I have nasty seasonal allergies (at least one per season). Whenever it flares up, the is a marked increase in my needs and decrease in my productivity. I'm hoping to start immunotherapy for them soon. I get my ADHD and my allergies from my dad and immunotherapy has done him wonders.

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by skinner927 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @10:41AM (#37929391)
Meditative techniques can assist with the regulation of emotions/attention. I speak from experience. It takes practice when you’re feeling well to be able to channel it when you’re not feeling well. It’s not as hippy-dippy as you might think (unless you want it to be). No yoga mat required.
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by armatav on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:27PM (#37923407)
How did you discover the infection
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by fallingknife on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:01PM (#37923208)
How did you find out about the long standing infection?
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by SamoyedFurFluff on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @07:59PM (#37923191)
“MCI”? (Not familiar)
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by zoklet-enjoyer on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:01PM (#37923217)
Mild cognitive impairment. I googled mci adhd
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by yieldcrv on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:16PM (#37923332)
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Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by ce4 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:24AM (#37927618)
Would you mind to share what pathogen you're dealing with? In case it's tick borne, I can second your observations
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by electric_mayhem on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:13PM (#37923311)
> Maybe there’s something neurologically wrong from the beginning that manifests as ADHD and later turns into dementia?

I can’t speak to the dementia portion, but it would not surprise me. As for the adhd being the result of something ‘neurologically wrong’… I feel like we should replace ‘wrong’ with something less charged, maybe ‘sub-optimal’ or ‘problematic’, but you intuited your way into something I’ve spent years in therapy and reading books to finally grok.

Two specific books that come to mind: The Myth of Normal and What Happened to you

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by iinnPP on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:38PM (#37923501)
It is simply another state of being.
Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by yieldcrv on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:44PM (#37923540)
I think there are configurations that are objectively wrong. I think we’ve overreacted to be inclusive and this creates blind spots in our current approach.

We can define wrong as counterproductive, while seeking to accommodate those configurations and seek to reduce their affects or mitigate them entirely

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by nextaccountic on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:47PM (#37923556)
adhd is largely maladaptive in the modern world but the question is whether it was maladaptive in a hunter-gatherer society

personally I feel that the symptoms of adhd are less relevant and doesn't impair my daily functions as much if I focus my entire waking time on outdoor activities like biking and swimming, and while I never hunted with primitive tools it might share some similarities

I think this is something that could be verified in practice too, since we still have hunter-gatherers societies

Re:Adult Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and the Ri... by rokkitmensch on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @11:02PM (#37924408)
my girl likes "neuro-spicy".