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Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by OfSanguineFire on Monday October 16, 2023 @05:15PM (#37906742)
> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.

Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.

Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by diogenes4 on Monday October 16, 2023 @06:00PM (#37907270)
Glyphosate kills far more than just weeds (whatever those are).
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by garba_dlm on Monday October 16, 2023 @06:25PM (#37907502)
but at the end of the day, it's a poison that is trying to kill life.

and we are alive and the reason to use glysophate is to use less effort to grow our food and to prevent other living things from eating it

it's like we prefer to poison ourselves a little bit, rather than share food with other lifeforms

Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by bluGill on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:19PM (#37908024)
Glyphosate is well studied and affects cell paths that don't exist in humans.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by pella on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:58PM (#37908331)
"Does Glyphosate Affect the Human Microbiota?"

https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/12/5/707

"Abstract:

Glyphosate is the world’s most widely used agrochemical. Its use in agriculture and gardening has been proclaimed safe because humans and other animals do not have the target enzyme 5-enolpyruvylshikimate-3-phosphate synthase (EPSPS). However, increasing numbers of studies have demonstrated risks to humans and animals because the shikimate metabolic pathway is present in many microbes. Here, we assess the potential effect of glyphosate on healthy human microbiota. Our results demonstrate that more than one-half of human microbiome are intrinsically sensitive to glyphosate. However, further empirical studies are needed to determine the effect of glyphosate on healthy human microbiota.

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4. Conclusions

Hence, does glyphosate affect the human microbiota? Contemporary research points to the herbicide’s potential to disrupt healthy microbiomes, including the human microbiome. Several empirical studies have determined the impact of glyphosate-based products on wild- and host-associated microbiota and called to control the potentially negative consequences on environmental health and sustainability. However, further empirical studies are needed to find a “smoking gun” that determines the effect of glyphosate on the healthy human microbiota. Moreover, additional experimental and epidemiological studies are needed to determine these proposed effects of glyphosate-based products on wild and host-associated microbes to control their potentially negative consequences on human health and ecosystem functions and services."

Other:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=human+microbiome+glypho...

Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by cvccvroomvroom on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:07PM (#37908401)
Would you drink it?
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by bumby on Monday October 16, 2023 @09:18PM (#37909083)
This is a pretty bad standard to judge toxicity, unless you’re diluting it to relevant dosages
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by Incipient on Monday October 16, 2023 @11:37PM (#37910270)
You wouldn't drink hypersaline water either, but that doesn't mean salt is bad for you.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by undersuit on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:08PM (#37908403)
You may call it a weed, I call it my garden.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by diogenes4 on Monday October 16, 2023 @10:55PM (#37909979)
Oh man i had no idea we could enumerate the totality of chemical effects in the human body, my b
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by genewitch on Monday October 16, 2023 @06:18PM (#37907444)
This sounds great, except it's been proven the glyphosate is not the ingredient that kills the most weeds, the "inert" ingredients when applied alone are vastly more effective.

I always think it's funny when glyphosate apologists come out in droves to defend their favorite poison manufacturer. Maybe they actually drank the stuff when Bayer/Monsanto said it was safe to drink?

Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by bumby on Monday October 16, 2023 @06:27PM (#37907526)
Where can I read more about the effectiveness of the inert interments and their dosage?
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by genewitch on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:33AM (#37944319)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475001...

This always takes me a lot longer to find than i hope, since "roundup inert ingredient toxicity" has, you know, hundreds or thousands of DOI attached to it.

as i've heard said - "Inert doesn't mean inactive in this context"

Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by bumby on Thursday October 19, 2023 @01:42PM (#37945992)
This is very interesting, thank you for taking the time to find it
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by osjrnngoxifr982 on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:08PM (#37908411)
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by jtbayly on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @07:45AM (#37913478)
No way. Show me the proof. If it’s the inert ingredients, why don’t they kill the GMO corn and beans, too?
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by genewitch on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:34AM (#37944327)
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by jtbayly on Friday October 20, 2023 @01:45PM (#37959214)
Thanks!

That's crazy.

However, I'm still left wondering how Roundup-resistant crops work. It's not the effects of Glyphosate they are resistant to, but rather the effects of the "inert" ingredients?

Edit: Also... it turns out that glyphosate is safe?! Conspiracy theory: they found a safe chemical, glyphosate, named it the "active" ingredient, and focused all the research around that ingredient, knowing that it would be found safe. Then they were free make pesticides from unsafe chemicals, swap new ones in, etc.

Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by genewitch on Saturday October 21, 2023 @05:31PM (#37970629)
re: your edit, yeah, i've often wondered if bayer/monsanto just let that chemical "tank" in the role-playing / MOBA sense, all of the negative publicity, so down the road when they are forced to show data/science - or, they release a new chemical - they can point at glyphosate and say "see, it wasn't even that bad!".

If you look at the literature, say for "roundup inert ingredient toxicity", lots of papers explain that each manufacturer (or different use pesticides from the same manufacturer) will contain different ratios or mixtures of inactive ingredients, and there's a lot of what i consider damning evidence against the surfactants.

Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by cvccvroomvroom on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:07PM (#37908397)
Salt and vinegar can do the same. Chemically-intensive pollution and contamination of the food supply, air, soil, and water is a choice. But it's not a Hobson's choice. Go organic.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by tengbretson on Monday October 16, 2023 @09:02PM (#37908931)
I'd like to hire you to eradicate the multiflora rose and wild parsnip on my property using only salt and vinegar. What would you charge to do this?
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by daddylongstroke on Thursday October 19, 2023 @08:10PM (#37950512)
Why would I use inputs, when I can feed a mixed herd of goats, sheep, chickens and pigs to eat your rose and wild parsnip and turn it into food for my family, neighbors and community? But sure, if you want to pay me, I will take payment. At the end of my herd's eating and working your soil, you'll have plenty of manure, green manure (ultimately), and should be ready for planting whatever you want. This is exactly what I do with wild parsnip today. I don't eradicate multiflora rose, but instead, propagate it where I can. My hives work it with great delight, and it makes an unbelievable-tasting honey. Obviously, its also a great edible for us humans, and makes a fantastic tea.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by mardifoufs on Monday October 16, 2023 @10:27PM (#37909754)
I guess those dumb farmers just wanted to waste money on roundup then. I mean come on.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by kevin_thibedeau on Monday October 16, 2023 @10:55PM (#37909982)
There are no salt and vinegar resistant crops. The desirability of glyphosate is that it lets you selectively cull all but your GM crops.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by daddylongstroke on Thursday October 19, 2023 @08:00PM (#37950445)
This is not desirable to anyone who cares about the soil microbiota, and in turn their and their family's microbiome, gut health, long-term health. As always, there is an unbelievably high price to pay for human convenience.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by l8rlump on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @01:48AM (#37911094)
I'd like to learn more about this.
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by zwirbl on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @04:11AM (#37911935)
I had to look up Hobson's choice, neat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice
Re:Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chroni... by cr3ative on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @06:17AM (#37912836)
While seasoning your weeds can be tasty and fun, it is significantly more labour intensive than Roundup. The additional hours put in to alternatives stack up quickly.