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Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by scaramanga on Sunday October 15, 2023 @02:28AM (#37887424)
I'd love to read the papers cited there without having to buy that book.

I wonder if what is defined as "support" is actually, meddling, undermining, and pressurzing children into fulfilling the parents needs.

Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by sarkhan on Sunday October 15, 2023 @02:49AM (#37887507)
Well, it comes a lot of from the good stuff that involved parenting does.

In other words, even taking kids to school in a car instead them walking (or at least on the bike, but their own feet still involved, therefore they are themselves 100% in control in going to school) is the support that is not the in the list of "support" but will be in the long run. I should mention, I do recognize the time constraints of current society.

Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by btilly on Sunday October 15, 2023 @02:55AM (#37887532)
The book wasn't a compilation of independent research papers. It was produced out of a compilation of interviews done to better understand millionaires.

Support was defined by the wealthy parent providing financial support, whether through a stipend, gifts, or whatever. It turned out that, despite the best of intentions, such support almost inevitably wound up with destructive emotional dynamics.

Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by KptMarchewa on Sunday October 15, 2023 @03:42AM (#37887776)
"Financial" was the key missing word.
Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by londons_explore on Sunday October 15, 2023 @04:22AM (#37887971)
But presumably it is also possible that some children were smart and successful, so therefore the parents didn't feel the need to provide so much support.

Whereas others were perhaps struggling with everything so the parents gave much more support.

Everyday example: the parents of disabled people dedicate almost everything they've got to help their children, and often end up poor and with a poor quality of life themselves as a result.

Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by blitzar on Sunday October 15, 2023 @04:52AM (#37888122)
> It turned out that, despite the best of intentions, such support almost inevitably wound up with destructive emotional dynamics

See the list of "self made" billionaires who started with a small loan of a couple 100 mil from their parents for examples.

Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by Aeolun on Sunday October 15, 2023 @08:05AM (#37889059)
A few people turning out well does not negate all the ones that failed. The US has a ton of millionaires, but only a few successes.
Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by pfannkuchen on Sunday October 15, 2023 @11:14AM (#37890420)
What’s an example? I thought the family safety net was a bigger factor in children from wealthy families starting riskier ventures earlier in life and perhaps serially. I’ve never heard of a company starting like you describe so I assume it isn’t that common, but maybe people just don’t talk about it much? Or maybe you are just exaggerating the loan magnitude by quite a lot?
Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by WalterBright on Sunday October 15, 2023 @02:56AM (#37887537)
> without having to buy that book

You can get the book for $2.74:

https://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Next-Door-Surprising-Amer...

Unless there is some other reason you don't want to buy it?

Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by basch on Sunday October 15, 2023 @01:52PM (#37891825)
Check the local library or their ebook app.
Re:Decline in Independent Activity as a Cause of Decline in... by okwhateverdude on Sunday October 15, 2023 @04:44AM (#37888092)