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Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by Aurornis on Thursday October 12, 2023 @02:50PM (#37861339)
They raised $200M and sold for $1B.

Options from the last raise would be under water, but they operated for years before that raise. There are likely a lot of employees doing reasonably well.

Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by abofh on Thursday October 12, 2023 @03:48PM (#37862242)
The amount they raised is meaningless to an option holder, only the valuation. If the employee joined at the 1.5B valuation, they got nothing
Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by theogravity on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:22PM (#37862692)
In some cases, they probably have lost money if they early exercised at that valuation.
Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by mattpratt on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:41PM (#37862904)
They wouldn't have exercised at that valuation. The options would be priced based on the 409a, which would be much much less than 1.5B.
Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by theogravity on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:45PM (#37862951)
Depends on when the 409a was performed and when the exercise happened. When the startup I work at got our Series A, a new 409a was done and increased the share price by roughly the same multiple of the new valuation, and now I have a wide spread for AMT should I exercise my options because of the new 409a.

So it's possible for employees to have joined after the new 409a when it was valued at 1.5bln and early exercised against that value.

Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by birken on Thursday October 12, 2023 @06:32PM (#37863991)
And then they'd have sold at the higher value, because the sale price is almost certainly higher than whatever the 409a price was.
Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by SOLAR_FIELDS on Friday October 13, 2023 @03:08AM (#37867666)
I have a hard time actually visualizing this math. Let’s say you join a 1.5B valued company and get offered $100k in stock options, but at $20k. So an 80% discount.Assuming the company meets the revenue goals maybe 10 years in the future but otherwise no other growth beyond the valuation, is it worthwhile for the employee to exercise the options, not early? Presumably they would have to turn around and pay another $20k in taxes the year that they exercised
Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by sushid on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:12PM (#37862565)
Not nothing, just a fat haircut of ~40%, right?
Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by shuckles on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:24PM (#37862723)
Nothing is the best case (if they didn't exercise options). You're right: some lost money on the transaction if they did exercise, outside special consideration.
Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by sida on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:25PM (#37862737)
I don't think you can just say that bout the last raise.

Depends on the exercise price. Exercise price is lower than the preferred price that the investor paid. Due to the fact that investors get preferred shares.

409a can often be 20% of the preferred valuation.

Re:Atlassian to buy Loom for nearly $1B by theogravity on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:11PM (#37863203)
Preferred vs common only matters when the company is sold at loss? The preferred shareholders get priority in terms of being made whole before the common shareholders.

In this case, since series C was 1.5bln and sold for $975m, then the preferred shares were bought during C would be made whole first (assuming the prior rounds were made whole first and there's enough left over for series C preferred) before those who exercised right after the valuation for common shares.

Edit: I forgot that preferred shares also come with liquidation preferences too, meaning that in a loss situation, later employees are highly unlikely to get something