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Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @07:24PM (#37851658)
> you can call emergency services to your precise location.

I guess this is the first time it's occurred to me that hikers and backpackers and such carry them too, which is odd because I hike and backpack.

I picked up the InReach after finding myself 200 miles offshore in a sailboat without an engine or battery power (which meant no VHF or electronic navigation equipment or autopilot or even red/green lights for others to see us at night) nor any way to make power

I assume the 406 Mhz beacon has a range of a few miles?

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by 0_____0 on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @07:47PM (#37851835)
406MHz I think is referencing PLBs and EPIRBs, which I'm guessing you're familiar with from sailing. The power is high enough that satellites can be used to get gross location, with radio direction finding being used by rescue party
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @08:08PM (#37851979)
AHA! Yes, thank you.

Other than the compass (which was only visible in the day time) the EPIRB was the only piece of equipment we assumed to work on the aforementioned voyage. We of course didn't test it as we were able to make it back safely, but I should probably learn more about how it functions.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by dylan604 on Thursday October 12, 2023 @02:30AM (#37854078)
with no propulsion, I'm assuming you were just drifting and not really doing to much navigation. just curious if you tried any celestial navigation at night to attempt any sense of direction?
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by plugin-baby on Thursday October 12, 2023 @02:53AM (#37854215)
if there was wind they may have been sailing.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:41PM (#37863526)
It was an old race boat, we had ample wind, and the owner casually bragged that he'd replaced the sails with ones that were "about 30% too big for the boat."

We were sailing like demons. One of my biggest regrets of the trip was that we didn't have any wind or speed instrumentation to let us know how fast we were going, but it felt extremely fast.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:38PM (#37863501)
Yeah. We mostly just picked out a set of stars and kept them roughly to position. Every so often we'd try to illuminate the fixed compass with a phone to ensure that we hadn't wildly drifted from our expected bearing (also, stars move over the course of the night and I have no idea how much)
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by nullfield on Thursday October 12, 2023 @02:55PM (#37861438)
I’m surprised that things like US military-style tritium-illuminated compasses aren’t more popular or widely used for cases like this.

They’re very safe, last something like 10 years, and aren’t really expensive (compared to “I need to know what direction I’m going and have no way to do so, or can’t see it”).

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:36PM (#37863480)
It would have been a delightful addition and honestly would have kept us much safer. It was fairly easy to keep Orion's belt just port of the mast, but occasionally cloud cover or weather would make that more difficult.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by sgtnoodle on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @07:49PM (#37851853)
Re: range, it's still satallite based. It's purely for emergencies, though, rather than for convenience.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:36PM (#37852490)
Thank you
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by runlevel1 on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:02PM (#37852309)
That sounds like a hell of a story. How did you find yourself in that situation? And how did you get out of it?
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by reaperman on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:29PM (#37852443)
If it were me, I’d assume backup paper navigation charts and either a handheld battery powered backup GPS or my smartphone that has an app to parse data from the GPS chip. Could use primarily dead reckoning plus turn the phone on every couple hours to update true location. Most sailors are using paper charts for tricky sections anyways — you just normally have a constant GPS location provided by your navigation system.

There are also lots of established shipping lanes you could find that would be relatively densely traveled and give you periodic feedback for which direction to go. A bit more dangerous due to collisions without lights but as long as your retroreflector is hoisted, big ships should see you clearly on radar. plus you’ll generally be swapping sleep shifts and always have someone manning the helm on the sailboat, though seeing large vessels at night can be somewhat more difficult.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:44PM (#37852542)
Mostly all that's right. We had three phones and a few battery packs (tho we'd exhausted them more quickly than expected and lost one to rain) because the paper charts aboard were from the late 80s when the boat was built and were all for the Pacific ocean it was built to sail.

The only other complicating factor was that due to the August Florida heat, nobody really had the luxury of sleep for the first couple of days.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by closewith on Thursday October 12, 2023 @08:36AM (#37856325)
> Most sailors are using paper charts for tricky sections anyways — you just normally have a constant GPS location provided by your navigation system.

My experience in Marine SAR is that this is no longer true. Apps like Navionics, SeaPilot, etc - often without any backup at all - are by far the most common form of navigation.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:42PM (#37863542)
Yeah. I've spent a lot of time learning charts and a terribly small amount of time actually using them. In this case, we didn't have the right ones anyway.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:35PM (#37852486)
Offered to help the owner (a friend of a friend of a friend) of an older racing sailboat move his boat from Florida to Maryland. It was planned to be us and 4-5 other crew, but (red flag the first) ended up being only me, my wife, and the owner.

There were lots of red flags before finding ourselves in squarely over our heads -- an overheating motor was explained away as having had an undersized thermostat installed. Plausible enough. The lack of a bimini in August in Florida was just forgotten, but led to pretty significant overheating to me. The autopilot not working we didn't realize until about 15 miles offshore. That the autopilot was draining all the other batteries we didn't realize until we lost navigation lights. Etc. Etc.

This was embarrassingly recent, but suffice to say a LOT of lessons were learned. The boat was foreign enough that I accepted too many "explanations" as comfort when they should have been a reason to abort. Failures compounded and voila, we're now 15 hours away from civilization flying a spinnaker through thunderstorms at night and positively hauling ass.

Eventually we got the owner to appreciate our discomfort enough and how over our heads we were to head to safety in Charleston (he'd still just been heading east, which was baffling -- but apparently it is not everyone's first instinct to go to safety when life-threatening failures crop up) but that brought its own perils -- coming into a crowded channel at night without navigation lights isn't advised. We were shining a flashlight onto the sails, but the flashlight would change modes if it wasn't held steadily enough. One of the storms we'd sailed through had killed the owner's phone as well as his phone charger, so the little bits of navigation we had were precious, but necessary coming into shallower coastal waters. A cargo ship coming out of harbor kicked us out of the channel just enough that we ended up grounded and stuck pretty squarely about a half mile away from restaurants, but late enough on a Sunday that there wasn't any other traffic we could hail down. (A radio would have been lovely in that case)

I was sunburnt and heat-stroked enough that despite guzzling water constantly, I hadn't urinated in 24 hours, and though we were in relative calm, the totality of circumstances, I used the last of the dwindling battery on the last usable phone among us to call the coast guard for evacuation. The owner of the boat stayed behind.

To paraphrase Cheryl Strayed -- If you'd asked me at any point in the journey, I was absolutely miserable, but on the whole it was miraculous. Gained a ton of skills. Learned a ton of red flags to look out for. Experienced a lot of firsts, not the least of which included a crash course in celestial navigation. And being 200 miles offshore and awake the whole night during the Perseid meteor shower was absolutely brilliant.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by runlevel1 on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:03PM (#37853050)
Yep, that sounds like a wild ride!

I'm glad you lived to tell the tale, stranger.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:27PM (#37853179)
Thank you. I also am.

Honestly glad my wife was aboard as it lowered my risk threshold enough to get me to want to abort.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by cdchn on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:24PM (#37853157)
What happened to the owner? Some say he is still there with his doomed boat to this day...
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bmelton on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:45PM (#37863573)
lmao -- we checked on him the next morning. He didn't answer my call, but that made sense as his phone had died, so we drove by where it had been stranded and it wasn't there so he'd moved. Felt guilty that we couldn't get in touch with him to offer him a ride back in our rental car, but caught up with him a few weeks later and he managed to get the boat into a slip somewhere down there.
Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by bigiain on Thursday October 12, 2023 @12:27AM (#37853488)
"If you'd asked me at any point in the journey, I was absolutely miserable, but on the whole it was miraculous. Gained a ton of skills."

Sounds a lot like ocean racing sailboats under normal circumstances.

I quit ocean racing (after about 5 seasons) when I had a sudden realisation that the only part that was any fun in the last 3 days was sitting in the bar after it was over and talking about it. And there were ten times as many non-crew people there enjoying that with us as there were crew on the boat I raced on.

Re:Starlink Direct to Cell by airbreather on Thursday October 12, 2023 @10:23AM (#37857593)
I quit when I realized I despised the cold so much that if I fell in I would probably give up after 5 minutes.