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Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by jasonjayr on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:45PM (#37836564)
How can a user, right now, take control + ownership of backing up their own pass keys, without iCloud or Google?

This is a privilege I currently enjoy right now, and one I am not really eager to give up.

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by awegio on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:17PM (#37836907)
It depends on your web browser. Just see what happens here https://webauthn.io/

Firefox on Desktop tells me to "touch my security key". Not sure how that works. Firefox Android gives me a few hardware options to store my passkey to. Chrome Desktop asks me to enable Bluetooth. Chrome Android asks which Google Account to use.

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by Izkata on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @03:03AM (#37841763)
Just tried that with Firefox on Android and while it works, I can't find any evidence of a stored passkey on my device, let alone a way to export it.
Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by grotorea on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @02:16PM (#37848190)
Are on Linux? AFAIK it doesn't work on Desktop Linux.
Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by shepherdjerred on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:09PM (#37836825)
I use 1Password [0] for syncing passkeys, and it works quite well. I would imagine other password managers are building similar features.

[0]: https://support.1password.com/save-use-passkeys/

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by pseudalopex on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:55PM (#37839293)
1Password does not give control and ownership.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37836783

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by skarra on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:10PM (#37836839)
Password managers like Dashlane and 1Password have announced support for storing and synching passkeys. As passkeys becomes more popular I expect more providers to step up as well.

Ecosystem lockin is not how we make a new technology like this successful. And all players in the game understand that.

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by jasonjayr on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:46PM (#37838035)
Appreciate the response. And I wish this message was front and center. The Attestation feature is what worries me, when, say, the bank turns it on for a few 'blessed' providers, or mandate a hardware implementation.

Watching https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/1870 with baited breath... :)

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by skarra on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @12:27AM (#37840880)
Your concern around attestation (mis)use is spot on. I'd say the industry is yet to arrive at an acceptable consensus or compromise on that question.
Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by pseudalopex on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:55PM (#37839295)
1Password does not give control and ownership.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37836783

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by blitzar on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:51PM (#37838098)
I use passkeys everywhere I find them. I do not take control or ownership of backing up - instead I have alternative 2fa or hardware key authentication with all those accounts.

For every account I have a hardware key for, there are 3 hardware keys associated with that account - 2 on-site, 1 off-site.

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by rssoconnor on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:22PM (#37838470)
How do you register your off-site hardware key. Did you have to go retrieve it each time you wanted to make an account?

I suppose every time one makes an account one can register the two on-site keys, and then rotate one of your on-site key to off-site and take the off-site key home with you, and then finally register it.

Maybe I should get a third key...

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by blitzar on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:44PM (#37838713)
I think you answered your own question! The three key is optimum for ease of rotating (or so you can carry one on person) - but if your house burns down with your phone in it - you will lose anything set up since your last offsite rotation.

Sounds paranoid / crazy - but I have 0 anxiety about being locked out of an account that matters.

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by jasonjayr on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:05PM (#37838258)
Which hardware keys are you using? And have you found any difficulty in adding multiple keys to a web site?
Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by blitzar on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:38PM (#37838629)
Yubikey keys - zero difficulty adding multiple - if a site doesn't allow multiple I wouldn't lock my account down to a single point of failure. All the big players seem to offer it, and I can not recall any that didn't. Google in the "advanced protection" days forced you to have more than 2 keys for this reason.

By count of sites, most sites don't appear to take security that seriously so anything more than a password is off the cards, but the big ones - the ones that actually matter; email, cloud, etc. should all be able to be secured.

Re:Google announces passwordless by default: Make the switch... by vel0city on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @10:23PM (#37840195)
I've got security keys on Yubikeys, Android devices, and Windows devices. Only one of these are Google.