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Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by jseliger on Sunday October 08, 2023 @02:55PM (#37813344)
Voters don't seem to vote in ways that are consistent with improving subway building functionality.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by umanwizard on Sunday October 08, 2023 @03:41PM (#37813753)
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Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by mandevil on Sunday October 08, 2023 @03:10PM (#37813487)
The problem is that NYC doesn't control the MTA: it was taken under state control back in 1968. And the governor has too many other issues on his/her plate to care enough to give the agency the top-to-bottom revamp it desperately needs. No one gets elected governor of the whole state of NY by campaigning on 'I'll fix NYC's subways' as a message, and indeed some of the more recent governors (Pataki, A. Cuomo) seemed to delight in stomping all over the mayor of NYC and use that for political gain.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday October 08, 2023 @04:49PM (#37814273)
> problem is that NYC doesn't control the MTA

New York voters are increasingly anti development. The only thing that protects it from going San Francisco is (a) Manhattan is joint to the other boroughs and (b) developers existing as a voting and lobbying constituency to counterbalance NIMBY homeowners and misguided tenants. Much of e.g. the Second Avenue subway’s delays were due to community roadblocks, not Albany.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by mancerayder on Sunday October 08, 2023 @08:27PM (#37815662)
There's a lot of Community Board BS, where in my opinion it's just another symptom of how Small Government can not work well at scale (i.e. many small governments behaving as elected or appointed officials that only very narrow interests pay attention to).

I took the opportunity to rant broadly, but I want to ask how that impacted the 2nd Ave Subway project?

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by NovemberWhiskey on Sunday October 08, 2023 @03:01PM (#37813408)
Which way would that be?
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by lotsofpulp on Sunday October 08, 2023 @03:10PM (#37813485)
One priority would have to be getting the NY state government out of the city’s public transportation organizations. Right now, everything is subject to state politics because the state controls the MTA.

Another would be making motorized individual methods of transit more and more painful and expanding bicycle/pedestrian infrastructure (this is often two birds with one stone). This will get the public to support politicians that make public transportation the priority.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by Spooky23 on Sunday October 08, 2023 @03:13PM (#37813517)
That’s not a policy priority or choice - NYC bankrupted mass transit decades ago and the bailout consisted of a grand merger between the bridge tolls and transit. The current situation is a result.

It’s a public authority secured by bonds. Unless the feds decide to pump billions of dollars into NYS/NYC, nothing happens unless the organization is insolvent again.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by mancerayder on Sunday October 08, 2023 @04:46PM (#37814257)
How does shoving more people into the subway system help? The income? The trains are packed on the 'in the office ' days like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And pre pandemic the 45, F and other trains were rush hour torture. Now more apartments are built. But the trains run less frequently.

But we're installing elevators everywhere and making all stations accessible, and that, plus the ridiculous running of trains overnight, are priorities.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by MarcusDJ on Monday October 09, 2023 @05:35AM (#37818617)
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Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by bootwoot on Sunday October 08, 2023 @04:10PM (#37813983)
Which office are you specifically talking about?

Hochul just got a bunch of funding through:

> But the biggest lifeline arrived in April, when Gov. Kathy Hochul and state lawmakers agreed to include new and recurring funding for the M.T.A. in the state budget.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/nyregion/mta-nyc-subway-s...

And the mayor doesn't really have any power - although I haven't seen anything to suggest that Adams is anti-transit.

Cuomo did fuck up a good thing with Andy Byford. But fuck that guy

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by kredd on Sunday October 08, 2023 @04:24PM (#37814098)
When it costs absolute bullocks to actually build/revamp any sort of infrastructure, I’d say it’s kinda hard to level up the quality to other cities’ levels.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by bradleyjg on Sunday October 08, 2023 @07:52PM (#37815490)
Hochul just got a bunch of funding through

The MTA doesn’t need more money. At least not yet. It needs a complete and total overhaul in all aspects so it’s no longer the least efficient transit agency in the entire world.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by rayiner on Sunday October 08, 2023 @04:42PM (#37814227)
Judging by the most recent election, voting in New York seems to be more third-world style ethnic warfare than a community of citizens trying to elect leaders who will deliver the best governance and public services.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by LeafItAlone on Sunday October 08, 2023 @05:55PM (#37814753)
I can’t even begin to understand what you are trying to say here. What do you mean?
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by grvdrm on Sunday October 08, 2023 @07:25PM (#37815345)
It’s as polarizing and stupid at city level as it is at the national level.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by rayiner on Sunday October 08, 2023 @07:59PM (#37815535)
People vote along ethnic/racial lines (look at the primary voting for Adams versus Yang versus Garcia) which means that infighting overtakes quality of governance as a priority. New York has been like that forever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall

It’s the same story all over the world where you have similar sectarian politics.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by piracythrowaway on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:17AM (#37820168)
Everything that I read suggested that Adams had a broad constituency of Black and Hispanic votes.[1,2,3] This was also a point that you made repeatedly, while noting that politics was more significant than racial voting lines:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770921

> I think this illustrates my point, though. In the primary, Black and Latino New Yorkers overwhelmingly supported Adams, while Asians supported Yang. But the Black, Latino, and Asian progressive activists mostly opposed both and sided with the candidates preferred by white progressives.

[1] https://www.gothamgazette.com/130-opinion/10656-latino-vote-... [2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-eric-adams-won-the-... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/10/new-york-m...

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by rayiner on Monday October 09, 2023 @09:40AM (#37820366)
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Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by piracythrowaway on Monday October 09, 2023 @03:17PM (#37824164)
> voting in New York seems to be more third-world style ethnic warfare

> People vote along ethnic/racial lines (look at the primary voting for Adams versus Yang versus Garcia)

This seems to imply something quite other than a broad cross-racial constituency. It also seems to fit oddly with the fact that progressives of all races voted against Adams. And why mention Garcia if there "wasn't a major Latino candidate"?

Look, I'm clearly not inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt here. You make incendiary trolling claims, and when asked to explain yourself, backpedal into vacuous, but reasonable-sounding, contradictions. And you get leeway because you played the role of a Burkean foil for other popular commenters here. But at this point, it just seems like you're showing contempt for the site, and for its users.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by selimthegrim on Monday October 09, 2023 @03:42PM (#37824517)
The secularism as class marker bit really ground my gears.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by rayiner on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:25AM (#37830759)
In both america and Bangladesh, moreso in the latter, secularism is a structured form of elite oppression against the masses. In America it reflects the American elites’ belief in the moral superiority of the French, while in Bangladesh it reflects the Bangladeshi elites’ belief in the moral superiority of Europeans.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by selimthegrim on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:08AM (#37831584)
My family is Ahmedi, (not a community historically disposed to the moral superiority of Europeans or Christians and not an upper class family either) so secularism was and is a way of making sure the masses don’t turn us into mincemeat (in Bangladesh too)

What I’m trying to drive at is that this ignores indigenous leftist as well as minority (historically Ahmedis were never leftist with exception of 1970) movements.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by rayiner on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @08:30AM (#37843599)
It does, insofar as religious minorities have very little influence on Bangladeshi political dynamics. The overriding force for secularism in the country is the notion that Islam is for poor and backward people. Similarly in the US, religion is what actually poorer racial minorities have in common with the dominant group. Secularism actually arose in the US in response to poor Catholic immigrants.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by selimthegrim on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:26PM (#37851131)
How can this be true with Washington’s letter to the Jews, Jefferson’s Bible and letter to the Danbury Baptists, the Ohio constitution, etc

https://fedsoc.org/federalist-society-review-new/the-ohio-co...

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by rayiner on Monday October 09, 2023 @07:58PM (#37826973)
Garcia is white—her maiden name is McIver. So the black candidate got the majority of black support, the white candidate got the majority of whites, the Asian won the majority of Asians. Adams expressly campaigned on starkly racial terms: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/20/nyregion/adams-yang-race-..., https://nypost.com/2021/06/20/adams-rips-garcia-yang-for-all....

I might find Adams’ criticisms of white progressives amusing, but it’s not a recipe for building a city focused on getting the trains to run on time.

> It also seems to fit oddly with the fact that progressives of all races voted against Adams.

Progressives make up a small percentage of the electorate. The fact that racial conflict plays a major and destructive role in city politics doesn’t mean there aren’t also other issues in play.

I don’t know what makes you think I’m “trolling.” Show me a city that, like NYC, has an established history of ethnic partisanship in politics but also has an effective government?

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by tptacek on Monday October 09, 2023 @08:33PM (#37827210)
As you well know, when you're wading into volatile arguments here --- and the racial dynamics of elections are obviously that, for multiple reasons! --- the onus is on you, the commenter, to prevent spontaneous conflagration by writing carefully and hedging away the most noxious interpretations of what you're writing. You share responsibility for how your writing is interpreted. You've long since given up on that, which is why you're finding so much of what you write so unwelcome here.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by rayiner on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:25AM (#37828783)
OP isn’t overreading my point, he’s disagreeing on the merits. Correcting the misconception about Garcia’s race, I don’t see how anyone could disagree that NYC has quite bitter racial politics, and that’s long been true.

The crux of our disagreement seems to boil down to him wanting to avoid the implication that New York’s racial politics is a bad thing for the city’s governance, and me not caring about doing so. That’s fine, we don’t need to defensively write around each other’s pieties.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by selimthegrim on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:30AM (#37831851)
This is like when Ted Cruz goes around and corrects voters about the genuineness of Beto’s nickname despite being worse at Spanish.