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Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by akomtu on Friday October 06, 2023 @03:57PM (#37795491)
It's a simple law: "price at the register cannot exceed the advertised price".
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by paxys on Friday October 06, 2023 @03:57PM (#37795502)
Price at the register is exactly the same as the advertised price.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by akomtu on Friday October 06, 2023 @04:08PM (#37795647)
Em.. no, the advertised price usually says "latte 4.50" but at the register it gets mysteriously padded with sales tax, tip tax, foo tax and bar tax, so you have to pay 6.50.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by pc86 on Friday October 06, 2023 @04:29PM (#37795964)
Nobody thinks anything is getting "padded" with sales tax other than Europeans who have never heard of the practice before and can't get over the fact that ~5% (the median US sales tax is 5.1%) wasn't disclosed as if that is making their breakfast unaffordable.

You're never required to tip so the "advertised price" and the price at the register are identical. You choosing to leave $2 on top of that doesn't change anything, even if it's only done through social pressure.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by turquoisevar on Friday October 06, 2023 @06:45PM (#37797305)
Silly attempt at shrugging off legitimate complaints notwithstanding, at least use an average sales tax when you do.

Now it just comes across as you saying that half the country is above 5%, which would’ve been a more honest statement as it seems considering few states however around 5% combined sales tax: https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/2023-sales-tax-rate...

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by pc86 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @12:51PM (#37803324)
The average sales tax in the US is 5.1%.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by turquoisevar on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:17PM (#37805652)
Got a source for that?

My source shows that the combined average sales tax (i.e. state, county, city and municipal) comes down to 6.57%, 6.59% if you don’t count DC.

26 of them have an average combined sales tax of 7% or more.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by xavor on Friday October 06, 2023 @07:07PM (#37797459)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratuity#/media/File:Restauran...

Which bit do you not understand? End point taxes are not ubiquitos, and at least other countires have decent laws so people can see what they actually pay.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by Izkata on Friday October 06, 2023 @09:03PM (#37798132)
Uhhh..

> > says "latte 4.50"

> > pay 6.50

> You're never required to tip so the "advertised price" and the price at the register are identical. You choosing to leave $2 on top of that doesn't change anything, even if it's only done through social pressure.

Taxes and tips aren't the same thing. Their $2 example is something you are required to pay.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by throw9away6 on Friday October 06, 2023 @05:49PM (#37796886)
Not in Seattle, they have a host of fees they add to the menu. That look like tips but aren’t
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by JohnFen on Friday October 06, 2023 @04:09PM (#37795654)
I'd love this! Not for tipping, but so that we can stop with this nonsense of not including sales tax in the price listed for things.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by kstrauser on Friday October 06, 2023 @05:50PM (#37796895)
That could be tricky. When I live, a cold burrito in a refrigerator cabinet is considered to be groceries, and is untaxed. Heat up that burrito, and it's a taxable meal. Also, some non-profit organizations aren't taxed on purchases, so the sticker price is the final price for them.

You can't pre-calculate the final taxed price using the local tax algorithms as they are today. They number can't be known until the transaction takes place.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by em-bee on Friday October 06, 2023 @06:38PM (#37797254)
you can just list two prices for cold and hot
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by kstrauser on Friday October 06, 2023 @06:53PM (#37797350)
That would be OK in that specific instance. However, there are a lot of rules like that, and I just wanted to mention a couple.

In any case, I'm not saying that it can't be done, just that it may be a lot complicated than adding a fixed percentage to every price label.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by em-bee on Friday October 06, 2023 @07:10PM (#37797486)
if that is the case then the rules are too complicated and need simplifying. that is not automatically an argument to not have a rule to list the full price, but it could also be an argument to remove or change other rules that make things more complicated. the lawmakers here need to weigh the pros and cons for each.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by kstrauser on Friday October 06, 2023 @07:35PM (#37797684)
While I agree, I suspect there’s little political will to overhaul the local sales tax system right now.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by Macha on Friday October 06, 2023 @08:21PM (#37797946)
Europe manages it just fine
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by tzs on Friday October 06, 2023 @09:50PM (#37798357)
For a given class of goods Europe generally has one VAT rate for the whole country.

In the US the sales tax for a given in-person sale is the state sales tax, plus possibly county sales tax, city sales tax, and sometimes even special tax district sales tax.

For remote sales, it is similar except the tax is computed using the buyer's location rather than the seller's location.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by Macha on Friday October 06, 2023 @10:44PM (#37798585)
If they can calculate the price at the tills, they can calculate the price for the labels on the shelves, or the price stickers
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by deprecative on Saturday October 07, 2023 @12:51AM (#37799088)
They can do that but that costs money so they never will. We worship the dollar like its a god above gods. No way we're going to willingly do something that costs the rich a dime more than absolutely necessary.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by pandaman on Saturday October 07, 2023 @01:01AM (#37799123)
But they cannot calculate price on ads. Also, can you deduct VAT from your taxable income in Europe? Sales tax in the US is deductible.
Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by Macha on Saturday October 07, 2023 @08:15AM (#37801065)
VAT is deductible if the buyer is a VAT registered business. The amount of VAT is still printed on the receipt by law, so you can still know how much you pay.

Companies already manage seperate ads in the EU for language, currency and price discrimination reasons, it's really not a huge bother.

Re:Chicago becomes largest US city to abolish subminimum wag... by pandaman on Saturday October 07, 2023 @11:18AM (#37802451)
So customers cannot deduct VAT from their personal taxes... I also doubt that separate ads per township are common in EU. For example, in Los Angeles the city is made from several separate townships with different sales taxes, two shops on the same street may have different taxes because one can be in LA and another in Santa Monica.