> You need an assist for both.

I don't. Do you?

Obviously GP think it's helpful? Just because you're in the minority that doesn't need IDE or LSP assist writing Java, I think that most people would argue that assist for Java is beneficial even if you personally don't need it and there's no sense in flexing about it.

I personally always use IDE/LSP for Java, even though it's been many years since I've written it, because it helps me deliver business value faster.

We are comparing java with other languages here, not questioning advantages of IDE.

Why people think java without IDE is different than some other language without IDE.

Is java more verbose than, for example, C++?

Exactly this. Who develops in Swift, Kotlin or Rust without ever using an IDE nowadays?

I do.

Or at least, it's a big, big improvement.

And it is not for other languages? What makes Java special here?

Good question. See my earlier comment.