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Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by thesaintlives on Friday October 06, 2023 @06:57AM (#37789134)
The CCC and German hacker/makerspace scene has been taken over by communist groups who attempt to use it for their own purposes. Members with different view points are thrown out. Replace 'hacking' with 'woke bullshit' and you get the idea...
Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by ahartmetz on Friday October 06, 2023 @07:24AM (#37789280)
Utter bullshit.

They are somewhat leftist, but certainly not communist. Do you know what communist means or are you just using at as an insult?

Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by thesaintlives on Friday October 06, 2023 @08:35AM (#37789934)
No. You are talking utter bullshit.

The founder of my local maker space was an actual communist party member so yes I know what it means. He was not the only one and I have no doubt other maker spaces with close CCC ties will be similar. Somewhat leftist is the understatement of the year.

Personally I have absolutely no problem with a persons political beliefs so that is not an insult. I have a problem with fascism. If I believe something different I should not be penalized or viewed as a threat.

I am not a fan of the CCC or their organization and will continue to share my experiences of them with others.

Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by zichy on Friday October 06, 2023 @07:32AM (#37789333)
You may want to look up the CCC‘s founding history.
Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by dontupvoteme on Friday October 06, 2023 @08:11AM (#37789656)
Was there not some rather dramatic change in the leadership in the last ~5 years?

Admittedly it's very murky to see how it's organized and run..

Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by fullspectrumdev on Friday October 06, 2023 @09:07AM (#37790270)
Stop smoking crack.

> taken over by

Many German hacker/maker spaces and groups were founded by people who are somewhat leftist or anarchist in outlook. There was no takeover.

Also, to Americans, even centrists or conservatives in Europe look like communists.

Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by thesaintlives on Friday October 06, 2023 @09:36AM (#37790600)
Funny. Have you tried crack? Discussing maker spaces will be further down your priority list if you do.

German maker spaces are not nice for people with different views i.e. not left wing.

Simply not true.

Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by fullspectrumdev on Friday October 06, 2023 @09:53AM (#37790827)
I know a lot of people who couldn’t be described as leftists in the German makerspace scene, even in the CCC itself.

If you are rabidly right wing (AfD, for example), then yes you will be shunned. But if you are a normal decent person you will be fine.

Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by wink on Friday October 06, 2023 @10:51AM (#37791552)
The CCC being political and left-wing is a feature and not a bug.
Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by mozman on Friday October 06, 2023 @09:59AM (#37790896)
Isn’t anarchism typically aligned with libertarian views?
Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by fullspectrumdev on Friday October 06, 2023 @10:36AM (#37791360)
They are a lot more compatible than people like to admit.

Both have a strong ethos towards promoting individual liberty, and generally agree somewhat on the approach that an individuals rights have a “limit” when they infringe on the rights of another person.

The main difference seems to be that a lot of libertarians take a strictly individualistic approach, whereas anarchists tend to prefer a mutualism approach.

Honestly, if you explain both in neutral terms to someone, they sound almost the same with minor differences.

Re:CCC Invites to the 37th Chaos Communication Congress in H... by simon_o on Friday October 06, 2023 @11:07AM (#37791791)
Ah, here it is, the clueless/idiotic comment about the CCC being left that is guaranteed to show up every year on HN.