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Re:Is Software Engineering Real Engineering? by AlotOfReading on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:01AM (#37779498)
The design of software in a car is held to similar standards as the hardware in a car, as one of the people who sign off on it (and not a PE). The software often is independently inspected and verified as part of homologation.

Adding a scapegoat engineer wouldn't do anything meaningful except ruin one dude's career when something happens because

1) automotive manufacturers don't fall under engineering firm regulations

2) one person cannot have meaningful technical oversight over the scope of a vehicle, and

3) there is no software PE accreditation process in the US.

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Re:Is Software Engineering Real Engineering? by velcrovan on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:50AM (#37780169)
You are begging the question. The three statements in your list are indeed true. I am saying that they should not be true.
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Re:Is Software Engineering Real Engineering? by AlotOfReading on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:47PM (#37780896)
They've been true for over a century at this point though. Since I assume you aren't complaining about every vehicle ever produced not being signed by PEs, what is it about software that you think it should require a PE stamp when hardware should not?
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Re:Is Software Engineering Real Engineering? by velcrovan on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:49PM (#37784124)
> They've been true for over a century at this point though.

The duration of the status quo doesn’t feel at all relevant to my argument.

> what is it about software that you think it should require a PE stamp when hardware should not?

Any profession of system design whose failure mode is “people die” would better serve a culture that abhors preventable deaths if governed by the same licensure, liability, professional ethics and independent verification used by electrical and structural engineering. I don’t make any distinction between hardware and software, but this article happens to be about software, so that’s what we’re discussing.

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