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Re:Ukraine war YouTuber: My Channel is being held hostage [v... by dissentingview on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @04:38AM (#37749348)
Why is Russia the top Ukrainian refugee destination? Why is Russia giving full citizenship to Ukrainians? Why hasn't Russia banned anything Ukrainian?

Interesting 'genocide'.

Re:Ukraine war YouTuber: My Channel is being held hostage [v... by Const-me on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @09:51PM (#37759934)
> Why is Russia the top Ukrainian refugee destination?

UN officials think Poland is the top destination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis_(2022...

> Why is Russia giving full citizenship to Ukrainians?

They want to annex Ukraine, of course they’re giving their citizenship. They do it in all occupied territories: DNR/LNR, Crimea, Abkhazia (90% took it), South Ossetia (95% took it).

> Why hasn't Russia banned anything Ukrainian?

They have even banned the colors of the Ukrainian flag: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/5/russia-muzzl...

Re:Ukraine war YouTuber: My Channel is being held hostage [v... by dissentingview on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @03:11AM (#37761842)
> UN officials think Poland is the top destination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis_(2022...

And according to this it's #1: https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine

Regardless it's a top 2 refugee destination.

> They want to annex Ukraine, of course they’re giving their citizenship. They do it in all occupied territories: DNR/LNR, Crimea, Abkhazia (90% took it), South Ossetia (95% took it).

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not occupied territories. Russia doesn't have to give anyone full citizenship, they could boot them or treat them like second class citizens, and if 90+% take it then that should mean something. Those accepting citizenship probably understand the situation better than we do, and aren't doing it to self-genocide. For contrast look at what's going on in Nagorno-Karabakh right now.

> They have even banned the colors of the Ukrainian flag: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/5/russia-muzzl...

That isn't even news. Two retold anecdotes does not make for truth. Where are the sources? Where are links to actual decrees or laws being passed? If blue and yellow were banned then why were Russian astronauts wearing them on their suits? https://www.forbes.com/sites/allisongasparini/2022/03/19/rus...

I'm sorry, but what you linked is just propaganda that you readily accepted because it reinforces your beliefs.

Re:Ukraine war YouTuber: My Channel is being held hostage [v... by libertine on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @08:37AM (#37764202)
> Those accepting citizenship probably understand the situation better than we do, and aren't doing it to self-genocide.

When Russia denies basic services to those who don't have Russian passports, it's either take it or become a second class citizen, like Russia did in Ukraine: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-withholds-meds-ukrain...

It's a horrible position to be forced to take a passport you don't want in order to survive - in your own home. It's an atrocious crime against humanity, and a blatant attempt to dilute those who aren't Russians into forced Russian citizens.

But if you want an even more evil attempt to destroy Ukraine national identity in occupied territory is what Russia is doing by forcing schools to teach a distorted event about the Russian invasion and indoctrinate children: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/09/ukraine-russi...

Or this is also propaganda?

Re:Ukraine war YouTuber: My Channel is being held hostage [v... by libertine on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @08:42AM (#37764260)
That's some messed up argument you're making there - like all the Ukrainians had the same choice to be refugees in a given country.

Like poor people with no resources that got invaded by Russia had the time and resources to weight options and choose a better destination. It's disgusting what you're doing - you're literally washing genocide.

Let me guess, for you the +20.000 Ukrainian children kidnapped and filtrated by Russia are there to be kept safe from the war?

For almost 2 years they weren't returned to their guardians to be kept safe uh? A crime for which Putin is internationally wanted, and it's one of the crimes that constitutes genocide.

> Interesting 'genocide'.

I think you should look into what genocide is, and how Russia has done it in the past.

Re:Ukraine war YouTuber: My Channel is being held hostage [v... by dissentingview on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @05:29PM (#37772071)
> Like poor people with no resources that got invaded by Russia had the time and resources to weight options and choose a better destination. It's disgusting what you're doing - you're literally washing genocide.

These people are leaving Ukraine for Russian controlled territories: https://youtu.be/zCijBcFdO5M?si=WvcV55N1EJUV4yW1

> Let me guess, for you the +20.000 Ukrainian children kidnapped and filtrated by Russia are there to be kept safe from the war?

So it would be better to keep them in a war zone?

> For almost 2 years they weren't returned to their guardians to be kept safe uh? A crime for which Putin is internationally wanted, and it's one of the crimes that constitutes genocide.

The ICC is a joke. It primarily prosecutes Africans, and the biggest countries don't even recognize it. In 2002 the US even passed the Hague Invasion Act which is a barely veiled threat against it prosecuting US citizens and citizens of allied countries. Nobody actually cites or uses the ICC unless it's for propaganda purposes.

And kids have been returned to parents/guardians:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/09/europe/ukrainian-children-in-...

https://bnn.network/breaking-news/176-ukrainian-children-res....