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Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by screechingbagel on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @12:50AM (#37748097)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds38T8wVuDg woah, actually impressive scrolling and video demo
Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by GorsyGentle on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @12:53AM (#37748113)
No joke, I did a double-take when I saw the video.
Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by alex-a-soto on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @02:01AM (#37748423)
Thank you. We have a long way to go, and what's exciting is the idea of creating native e-ink applications.
Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by ReactiveJelly on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @04:28AM (#37749284)
"If your video looks good in 1-bit mono" was really thinking of 8088 Corruption and Bad Apple
Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by amelius on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @05:33AM (#37749651)
That is impressive.

Though personally, I don't see the need for e-ink except perhaps outdoors or in changing environments. Just setting the brightness at a decent value gives a good enough contrast; after all an e-ink display just reflects light so if the ambient lighting is constant you can just adjust your LED panel to that same overall brightness. I think the scrolling issues of e-ink would be a much greater source of eye strain and discomfort.

You can also use an off-white color as a background. Like HN does! It gives a similar feel as paper.

Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by rbanffy on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @05:43AM (#37749719)
> you can just adjust your LED panel to that same overall brightness

This is the kind of thing I would expect my monitor to do for me (unless I manually override it). Brightness AND color (so, cooler during day, when the sun is shining through the windows, warmer at night, when the lightbulbs try to approximate incandescent lighting).

Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by amelius on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @05:46AM (#37749735)
This is a great idea.

However keep in mind that sun shining through the window, even if natural, can be a source of eye strain too.

Strange as it sounds, I prefer the constant lighting of the fluorescent lamps in my office.

Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by fallat on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @08:22AM (#37750901)
I wrote software to at least adjust brightness: https://len.falken.directory/backlight-auto.html

If you're lucky, your monitor can be controlled over HDMI or DisplayPort commands.

Matching the room brightness is exactly why I wrote it and because I wanted a nearly-dependency-free binary.

Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by itishappy on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @09:24AM (#37751527)
Power usage could be a huge factor. Modern LED/OLED panels can get bright enough to fight the sun, but pay for that.

I'd love to see what this thing can do with a mobile processor and a laptop battery. I bet you could get a battery life in the days.

Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by amelius on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @11:08AM (#37752935)
Yes, although people probably want to use a normal monitor when at their office.
Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by carlosjobim on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @09:50AM (#37751923)
> I don't see the need for e-ink except perhaps outdoors or in changing environments.

Yes, but that is a huge deal. I consider it one of the biggest life changers that will come for a large part of the population. We've built our lives around the limitations of emissive displays. What if you didn't need to shield out the sun to be able to do office type jobs? What if the boss in the field on a work site could just sit down where they are when he needs to do some computer stuff and be able to show designs to his workers without having to bring all inside a room or go make prints?

I think it also depends greatly on where you are. For Europeans, e-ink might not be so interesting, since it's dark and cold there. And when the sun actually shines, they are on holiday anyway. But for places with a lot of sunshine, e-ink will change a lot of things. That might mean we'll have to let go of scrolling as a paradigm. But let's face it: scrolling only became the default because of bad UI choices and lazy designers. Paper moved from scrolls to pages eons ago.

Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by eternityforest on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @04:25AM (#37762385)
Maybe you could put ambient sensors all around the monitor and simulate the effects of lighting on paper?

Or you could use the front camera, and you could even have 3D effects, so a real world light could be reflected in shiny stuff on screen, and cast shadows for non-flat content, etc.

Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by newswasboring on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @06:12AM (#37749898)
In the next demo they should try to play a game which implements dithering. This is the device Return of Obra Dinn was designed for :D.
Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by alex-a-soto on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @10:10AM (#37752232)
This is amazing; thank you for the suggestion! I've thought turn-based games could work for e-ink, like correspondence chess or other play-by-mail type games.
Re:Modos E-Ink Monitor by dredmorbius on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @02:57PM (#37756028)
That is impressive, though the display seems to be entirely in 1-bit mode, which is going to improve performance (and probably minimise ghosting) considerably.

That works for high-contrast content, but tends to fall apart where more subtle shading differences matter. Either greater pixel depth (16 greyscale shades are common), halftoning (surprisingly effective given ~300 dpi resolution) or dithering (somewhat higher quality, avoides Moire effects) would be able to tackle considerably more content well.

(Based on my experience with an Onyx MAX Lumi, similarly-sized screen, multiple display options, and a wide range of content.)

The article mentions that there is greyscale rendering possible, but that text is first rendered 1-bit, with 1-bit greyscale applied after a few seconds for antialiasing. My experience with high DPI (dots per inch) displays is that antialiasing is far less an issue, both because the individual pixel size is so small and because with a monochrome screen, the reduced resolution of colour displays (where three pixels are required to provide colour for any given region) isn't a factor. Effectively the pixel density of a monochrome display is about 3x greater than an equivalent colour display, based on the same nominal DPI / dot pitch.