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Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by Havoc on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:40AM (#37737956)
This undermines entire public mindset too.

I've seen multiple instance of memes on social media along the lines of "1000s empty flights. Good thing I recycled that empty tomato can!".

Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by Simulacra on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:45AM (#37738020)
Hollywood celebrities do this, Michael Bloomberg does this, they preach environmentalism and then get in their private jets, and fly around the world.
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by gruez on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:11AM (#37738389)
I agree that the optics of that situation aren't great, but what would you rather have him do? not preach environmentalism? If all rich people are chastised for supporting environmental movements, isn't that going to be worse for the environmental movement as a whole? The ideal scenario is that rich people both preach environmentalism and move to a zero impact permaculture commune, but that's not an unrealistic expectation. We can barely get environmental measures passed today, and that's with billionaires supporting the movement. I doubt shaming billionaires for supporting the movement is going to make things better.
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by krisoft on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:22AM (#37738512)
> what would you rather have him do?

Not fly with a private jet? It is not an unrealistic expectation. Plenty of people manage to not fly with private jets on the regular.

Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by RobKohr on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:47AM (#37738853)
The rich have both security and privacy concerns that make regular air travel problematic. Bill Gates sitting in an airport terminal is a danger to him, those around him, and is also a hassle to him and those around him.

There is the secondary factor of their time being too valuable as well, and having a direct flight to anywhere in the world making a big difference in how much time they spend.

Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by kthejoker2 on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:49AM (#37739690)
I promise you Michael Bloomberg's time is not more valuable than anyone else on planet Earth, I don't care how big his bank account is.

This is just-so reasoning.

Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by missedthecue on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @01:20AM (#37748239)
I think it's pretty obvious his time is objectively more valuable than mine
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by gruez on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:59AM (#37738988)
The core problem is that you're making it harder to be an environment supporter. It's the equivalent telling the average Joe that if he supports the environment but still eats meat daily he's a hypocrite and should feel bad. The environmental impact of raising meat is well known, so advocating for environmental measures while not taking the trivial effort of not eating meat one day per week is pretty hypocritical as well. I'm not sure about you, but I'd rather have as broad support base as possible to get environmental measures promoted and passed, than a smaller group of diehard activists each trying to police each other on ideological purity.
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by currymj on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:35AM (#37738689)
some combination of using aviation biofuel (which in principle can be produced in a nearly carbon-neutral way) and buying non-fake carbon offsets (i.e., actually taking physical carbon out of the air) would probably be good enough.

this would further absurdly increase the cost of operating a private jet, but billionaires could still afford it.

Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by josephcsible on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:33AM (#37738655)
> would you rather have him do?

Fly commercial instead of private.

Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by brookst on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:10AM (#37738376)
This doesn’t bother me as much as it seems to bother others. I guess I just never got into the “only people who never do something wrong can advocate against wrongdoing” mindset.

Is it hypocritical? Sure, though I expect he has lots of reasons why it’s not. But is it better than not even giving lip service to the issue? Sure it is. But the fact that action isn’t good enough doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by josephcsible on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:34AM (#37738667)
No, it is bad. He's basically saying "you peasants should give up the little you have so that we can save the planet without me having to give up anything".
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by brookst on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @10:33AM (#37752508)
Would it be better if he just shut up and flew his private jet? That is, would it do less harm to the environment?
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by hfuyf65 on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:49AM (#37738072)
That is ok though. He offset ( current magic word indicating its all good ).
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by cmiller1 on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:01AM (#37738245)
Seems like a poor argument against environmentalism though. "That guy who said we should be nice to each other was mean to someone! Therefore being nice is stupid and we should all be as cruel as possible!"
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by hfuyf65 on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:28AM (#37738597)
You are right about the argument in itself. It is poor. But the argument is not in meat of the argument, but in optics. The perception of things as 'rules for me but not for thee' almost immediately overrules even basic logic. In other words, make pain even across the board and people might listen.
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by mcpackieh on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:39AM (#37738747)
You're speaking from the perspective of someone for whom the virtue of making personal sacrifices for environmental reasons is already obvious. Try putting yourself in the shoes of someone who doubts this. To those people, rich jetset climate activists come across like politicians who agitate against gay people then get caught having anonymous gay sex in airport bathrooms. Their hypocrisy is seen to invalidate the authenticity of their message.
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by expertentipp on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:55AM (#37738161)
My favourite meme by now is with sad Keanu sitting on the bench "that's me looking at a paper straw seeping and turning useless while an (almost) empty jet leaves a trail up on the blue sky"
Re:Major airline faces backlash after using ghost flights to... by danaris on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:43AM (#37738793)
Turn that around.

The intention of many of these campaigns (like paper straws and paying attention to your individual carbon footprint) is, at least in part, to instill the idea that environmentalism should be all about individual action, rather than holding large companies to account for their role in pollution and environmental destruction.

Recycling at a personal level is a good idea—but it can only ever be a small part of a solution, and it also requires that recycling be taken seriously by the places that actually take the recyclables away—that they genuinely recycle the stuff, rather than just sending it to a landfill in some other country.