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Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by mgiannopoulos on Monday October 02, 2023 @07:51AM (#37736966)
What’s the point of the page if the information is incomplete ? For example the number about the 466 million federal loan I believe does not include the fact that it was paid back with interest (so taxpayers made money on that).
Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by mrtksn on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:03AM (#37737065)
I guess the point is listing the public loans and grants awarded to a businessman who happens to be trying to influence the government?

Can be useful in many ways, for example can be a talking point about the wonders of having a federal government. Can be useful for having a context when a businessmen campaigns against taxes and subsidies. Can be used against certain businessmen claiming they did everything by themselves, unless those unsuccessful poor people or lazy immigrants.

It's something interesting to keep in mind when demanding drastic changes on how the world should work.

Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by bko on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:36AM (#37737299)
A business man, trying to influence government?? You don't say.

In all seriousness, the argument that one benefits from the current system but advocates for a different system is not acceptable is just wrong. We can't all be living in a cabin in the woods. We're allowed to have opinions

Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by mrtksn on Monday October 02, 2023 @08:53AM (#37737447)
That's not the argument though. The argument could be something like "let's have a government that can interfere when necessary".

Useful when businessmen start pretending that things are happening in a vacuum and the environment they operate exists spontaneously.

Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by light_hue_1 on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:13AM (#37737629)
How is the information incomplete? The 466 million loan is not counted as a subsidy. And they say right there on the page that there may have been repayments.
Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by mgiannopoulos on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:33AM (#37739447)
Well, if the page included the easy-to-find fact that the loan was repaid with interest, it would be more complete.
Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by justapassenger on Monday October 02, 2023 @01:08PM (#37741145)
> For example the number about the 466 million federal loan I believe does not include the fact that it was paid back with interest (so taxpayers made money on that).

Trump is found guilty of fraud, even tho banks made money of his fraudulent deals.

Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by grotorea on Monday October 02, 2023 @01:09PM (#37741174)
That is still a subsidy, no? It's money that materially improved the health of the company. Does everyone and every company who wanted 466 millions had it available? And was the interest and other loan conditions market rate?
Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by inemesitaffia on Monday October 02, 2023 @03:15PM (#37743007)
The subsidy here is the difference between the regular bank interest and the actual interest. Likely in single digit millions