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Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by keiferski on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:28AM (#37723291)
Don’t think of consumerism as consumer products. Think of it as “consumption”, rather than creation. A focus on consuming and experiencing things in the world, not building them - of which a family with children is a prime example.
Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by wkat4242 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:31AM (#37723302)
But I build a lot. Most of my hobbies involve creativity and making of things like electronics and 3D printing.

I don't think having a family would be as valuable even.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by keiferski on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:33AM (#37723315)
Well I don’t want to be too harsh, but from my point of view, the idea that your hobbies are more important than the creation of life is a very shallow consumeristic one. It’s a very limited, self-focused way of being in the world.

That’s not even mentioning the fact that you can share your hobbies with your children.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by wkat4242 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:31AM (#37723598)
I just don't think creating life is that special :) or necessary. There's already too many humans in this world. And I don't view it as something sacred.

In fact if I'd want a child I'd adopt one and give them a better life. I think it's better to lift an orphan out of poverty than to reproduce myself.

But I'm just not interested in either.

None of my friends who have kids have done this out of a sense of community or purpose though. It was a choice driven by their own desire, just as selfish as my own reasons not to have any.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by anthonypasq on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:15AM (#37739235)
> There's already too many humans in this world.

what does this actually mean? people say this but i dont understand it.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by satvikpendem on Sunday October 01, 2023 @04:15AM (#37723866)
Why is a hobby shallow but the creation of life deep? Surely that depends on the hobby as well. Having a child can be seen, in one aspect, as a very expensive and time consuming hobby.

What is so special about creating life, anyway?

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by legutierr on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:06PM (#37727291)
Everything humans create depends on humanity existing, and humanity ceases to be without children.

Human life is a prerequisite for everything humans create.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by satvikpendem on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:15PM (#37727414)
It's not as if humans will go extinct. The UN predicts we will peak at 10 billion in 2100 and stabilize at 5 billion overall afterwards. When we were last at 5 billion, it was 1987, so it's not like we didn't build human societies before then. Those who want kids will have them and those who don't will not.