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Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by rsync on Saturday September 30, 2023 @10:32PM (#37722007)
It is glaring how under-represented both Japan and Korea are in the rsync.net user population.

We get signups from mainland China. From Saudi Arabia. From Ghana. Even attempted signups from Iran.

But it's very, very rare someone from Japan signs up.

Why is this ?

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by wrp on Saturday September 30, 2023 @11:09PM (#37722168)
I'm not familiar with that community or even ones closely related, but I've worked several years in Japan and Korea, so I'll take a stab at it.

For Japan, I'm pretty confident it's the language barrier. As in most countries, tech people in Japan are mostly males, and mostly are not very strong in the humanities and in social skills. This group tends to be extremely self-conscious about their limited English ability and generally avoids interaction with foreigners.

For Korea, I see a trend, but I'm not confident about the explanation. I see lots of bright kids at university, see them get hired at big tech firms, and see them enthuse about their work over beers. I don't see them interacting a lot with foreigners. My impression is there is so much going on within Korea that they don't feel strongly motivated to look outside.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by fomine3 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @11:39PM (#37722319)
That's true in general for Japan, but trained Japanese engineers who want a rsync-able cloud storage service are fine to register English web services.

There are reasons I come up with: Little known in Japanese community; there are many people don't watch English community even if they are fine to read English docs and send PR. There are almost zero article introduces rsync.net. Yen is weak for strong Dollar at this time, Overseas storage service tend to be slow from Japan. It's harder to be adopted by enterprises without Japanese reseller.

In my experience, rsync+ssh is slow with higher latency and price isn't attracting, so I haven't tried it yet.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by mordechai9000 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:03AM (#37722419)
My question would be, how are they solving this problem if they are not using this service?
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by fomine3 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:28AM (#37722546)
My current backup is done by "unlimited" Google Drive (will be dead sometime) + Duplicacy because my RTO/RPO requirement is loose and data is bigger. There are other options like Rclone + S3/B2/etc or just Dropbox/OneDrive like worldwide people use.

BTW, Backblaze is great about PR thanks to HDD stats. News websites frequently advertise their name for free. They also have local reseller.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by hardwaresofton on Sunday October 01, 2023 @05:05AM (#37724123)
Would you mind noting their local reseller?
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by fomine3 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @05:14AM (#37724167)
https://www.sourcenext.com/product/0000000618/

Relatively famous software reseller (repackager) but focused on individuals

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by hardwaresofton on Sunday October 01, 2023 @09:38AM (#37725847)
Ahhh thanks, this isn’t quite what I was looking for but TIL!

Wonder if it’s seeing much adoption, this company looks to be kind of like Carbonite for Japan

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by numpad0 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @09:22AM (#37725699)
It's never fine to read English docs and send PR for Japanese engineers. You're probably familiar with Japanese audiences on the Web with a strong, how should I call it, a very unnatural grammatical "accent" almost as heavy as a stereotypical Indian accent but in literal form.

That "accent" is due to our standard English teaching method that builds up an on-the-fly bidirectional translation layer on top of pure Japanese internal monologue. We're trained all the way from middle schools to college/University to do this complex rule-based word transposition and word-for-word substitution technique and that is unnatural as anything and slow as, like real QEMU. This is also why many dumb-faced Japanese people with some English skills are rather quick to issue and respond to fewer-words commands with highly technical expressions("don't lubricate [that] receptacle") but are far slower at returning verbal responses with higher word counts("I'm already 5 minutes into the future from the point I was to be there"), because they're doing it and it's not just a complex multi-parallel but also kind of an exponential time process.

I'm done with that method for better or worse, and I suspect my "tone" in literal English should not even be convincingly Japanese. But it's still way harder to do English, and for the vast majority of us who aren't demonstrably English speaking, it's just their precise translation skills coming with massive overhead.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by WBrentWilliams on Sunday October 01, 2023 @10:05AM (#37726063)
Your explanation of a bidirectional translation layer analogs a lot to where I am in my study of Japanese. Three years in, there are quite a lot of kanji where I see it and think the English word; the Japanese pronunciation takes a noticeable amount of processing time to surface. My word count is fairly low (maybe 500 - 1000 words) and my grammar is on-par with a three-year-old. However, I'm getting better. Not bad, I suppose, for someone who started study at the age of 46 and only devotes about an hour a day to the task.
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by RicoElectrico on Sunday October 01, 2023 @08:27AM (#37725282)
Isn't it that Japan is REALLY inward-focused society? I've read multiple times that watching their TV as a foreigner is a weird experience, for the most part they talk about stuff going on in Japan more so than anywhere else.
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by pezezin on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:07PM (#37745114)
I am a foreigner living in Japan, and I can confirm it. Watching the news is weird, they will focus on random, totally unimportant internal events (like a dude stealing a bike in an unnamed village in nowhere Hokkaido), while ignoring major world events.
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by sharedptr on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:11AM (#37722461)
Well I think I have some experience to talk about Japan. Not so much about Korea.

My experience is that English in Japan isn’t really spoken outside of big tech firms and even there the quality isn’t great.

I have tried organizing an event on the same topic in Japanese and in English, almost no one showed up in English but it was full in Japanese.

They have their own alternatives to some services and stack overflow, qiita.

The thing is that they don’t really need to speak English and for the cases they need English they bite a foreigner.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by manxman on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:29AM (#37723593)
So there’s clearly stuff being done to train a younger generation to speak English better than was the case previously.

The problem is that even with that, the mindset still appears to preserve the notion of Japanese supremacy over everything irrespective of data to the contrary. So improvement isn’t happening.

Take the Shinkansen as anotherq example. Impressive if you look at the train specs and reliability/punctuality. What isn’t seen so readily is the manual process of booking seats at stations with limited options for booking online. That manual process is often so inefficient that you might as well travel by a slower train given the loss of time involved.

Similar inefficiencies are observable throughout Japan. The people are typically oblivious because they are indoctrinated into following the process without questioning things. True of the younger English speakers as well from what I’ve seen. Not entirely sure if that’s blind deference, fear of conflict/group judgement or the result of brainwashing into a collaboration over competition mindset. Maybe it’s a mix of all of the above.

So I see very narrow examples of personal excellences where that obsession and perseverance doesn’t involve getting others on board. But innovation or improvement involving groups is more dysfunctional than anything I’ve seen elsewhere by a wide margin.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by throwaway2037 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:58AM (#37723772)
You can book Tokyo-Osaka Shinkansen tickets online now. The lines owned by JR Central all have online booking now. You can also connect your IC card to your ticket, so no paper ticket is required.

    The people are typically oblivious because they are indoctrinated into following the process without questioning things.
If you speak with Japanese people in a private, psychologically safe setting, they will open up about all sorts of things, including continuing to use fax machines!
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by numpad0 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @10:09AM (#37726093)
It's not just we have alternatives for some services, the entire Internet looks like "our" thing from this side. Everything is either perfectly localized, or built and run by local entities, or dominated by local users. In rare cases that none of above are true, social graph of users are still completely closed off from the outside world.

I mean, it's even the case offline. Have anyone seen or used the omnipresent NCR made ATM, with transparent green card slot? There are lots of Ingenico Lane/5000 lately, but that green plastic cover still isn't a thing here. I think there are very few regions that you could live without ever seeing one in life. We're isolate as that.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by vidarh on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:30AM (#37726847)
> Everything is either perfectly localized, or built and run by local entities, or dominated by local users.

People who are tied to the English-speaking net are often totally unaware of how many areas are dominated by local companies even in markets that are linguistically much closer and more used to using English.

And that's not really a criticism - it's hard to keep up when you're not immersed in it.

I'm Norwegian but live in the UK, and I keep being surprised by Norwegian or Scandinavian online services I was unaware of when I go home to visit family, for example, despite following Norwegian news, and visiting twice a year. It's not that they're necessarily more advanced (though sometimes they are) or better, but just that often you find local companies better entrenched than you'd expect.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by shmde on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:41AM (#37722625)
Why is using a particular backup software solution related to it. Maybe they are using tarsnap or blackblaze ?
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by vidarh on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:32AM (#37726858)
It's not that there aren't alternatives, but that it's an interesting question why that specific market is under-represented. It could well be just luck of the draw, but there might be other reasons as well.
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by alephnan on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:51AM (#37722673)
Not sure about Korea, but Japan also has one of the fewest tech unicorns when you adjust for socioeconomics and population size.

Compare with Singapore, Taiwan.

Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by throwaway2037 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:59AM (#37723779)
Except TSMC, what unicorns does Taiwan have?
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by danzk on Sunday October 01, 2023 @06:08AM (#37724450)
Foxconn is Taiwanese.
Re:The Tron Project: How Japan Almost Ruled IT by homarp on Sunday October 01, 2023 @06:48AM (#37724650)