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Re:The Forbidden Topics by Mobil1 on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:36AM (#37704937)
Instead of Violating Everyone's Inalienable Rights to Free Speech and the First Amendment, Tell People That All They Have to Do Is to Not Listen

Freedom of speech is one of the most important inalienable rights that we have. It is enshrined in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states that "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech." This means that the government cannot censor or punish us for expressing our views, even if those views are unpopular or offensive.

There are many good reasons to protect freedom of speech. For one, it is essential for a healthy democracy. When people are free to express their views, we can have open and honest debates about important issues. This helps us to make informed decisions about our government and our society.

Freedom of speech is also important for individual self-expression and development. We all have unique thoughts and experiences, and we should be free to share them with others. This helps us to connect with other people, to build relationships, and to grow as individuals.

Of course, freedom of speech is not absolute. There are some types of speech that are not protected by the First Amendment, such as incitement to violence or child pornography. However, the Supreme Court has held that even hateful and offensive speech is generally protected by the First Amendment.

This may be frustrating for people who are offended by hate speech. However, it is important to remember that freedom of speech is not just about protecting the speech that we like. It is also about protecting the speech that we dislike. If we start censoring speech because we find it offensive, then we are on a slippery slope. Where do we draw the line? What kind of speech is offensive enough to be censored?

Instead of trying to violate everyone's inalienable rights to free speech, we should tell people that all they have to do is to not listen. If someone is saying something hateful or offensive, we can simply walk away or change the channel. We can also engage in respectful dialogue with the person, if we feel comfortable doing so.

It is important to remember that the best way to counter bad speech is with good speech. When we express our own views openly and honestly, we can help to create a more tolerant and inclusive society.

Here are some specific examples of how we can tell people to not listen instead of trying to violate their freedom of speech:

If you see someone posting offensive content on social media, you can unfollow them or mute them. If you are in a conversation with someone who is saying hateful things, you can politely change the subject or walk away. If you are attending a public event where a speaker is saying things that you find offensive, you can leave the event. You can also support organizations that are working to promote free speech and tolerance. By telling people to not listen instead of trying to violate their freedom of speech, we can protect our own rights and create a more tolerant and inclusive society.

Re:The Forbidden Topics by dotandgtfo on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:53AM (#37705171)
This reads like chatGPT generated rubbish. And based on your post history (historically short comments, and then lately more longer-form content like this) I guess that is the case.

While I do agree on most of the points, the conclusion "Tell People That All They Have to Do Is to Not Listen" does not follow and is borderline offensive. Are you really saying that the solution to racism and discrimination is to just ignore it?

Here's some points I grabbed from ChatGPT.

Complexity of Speech: While the idea of 'just don't listen' might sound simple in theory, it does not consider the nuanced complexities of real-life situations. There are circumstances where hateful or harmful speech can incite actual physical harm or can propagate harmful stereotypes.

The Impact on the Vulnerable: Telling people to simply 'not listen' can be especially problematic for vulnerable groups or minorities who are often the target of hate speech. For them, it's not just about ignoring the speech; it's about navigating the real-world implications and potential threats that come with it.

A Shared Responsibility: While individuals can choose to 'not listen', it's important to note that platforms, corporations, and societies also play a role in moderating and guiding the discourse.

Re:The Forbidden Topics by matt-attack on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:25AM (#37705630)
Yes the solution to racist speech is to just ignore it.

You seem to be though equating speech with racism. Racism typically takes many other forms. The racism you cannot ignore is when it’s violence, or policies or the like. Neither of those is free speech.

So yes if it’s racist * speech* in the sense of truly just words, then yes. Ignore it.

I’m really surprised this isn’t obvious.

Re:The Forbidden Topics by dotandgtfo on Friday September 29, 2023 @01:19PM (#37707345)
It's less of an equation and more of a counter example for how absurdly oversimplified and privileged the position of "just ignore it" is.

>Yes the solution to racist speech is to just ignore it.

Citation needed. As a foreigner living in Germany it's pretty obvious they've drawn different conclusions than that.

I'll also point out that there is nothing obvious about how free speech is defined (by Americans). There's obviously limits to speech, it's just been delineated into the constitutional "free speech" and the colloquial notion of "free speech". Which you seem to be conflating (or assuming that I care about). The OP is squarely about the more colloquial understanding of the word.

Re:The Forbidden Topics by Mobil1 on Friday September 29, 2023 @03:03PM (#37708783)
I acknowledge that I am addressing a community of highly educated, intelligent, and sophisticated individuals. In order to maintain respectful discourse, I freely admit to using AI to refine my thoughts and present them in a way that is both concise and informative. However, I am troubled by the fact that I am being judged by my perceived lack of intelligence and education. I understand that free speech comes with a responsibility to not use it to harm others, but only when that harm is not tangental to real harm. We all have the right to live freely, and we should allow others to do the same, regardless of their political, religious, or other dogmatic views.
Re:The Forbidden Topics by dang on Friday September 29, 2023 @03:18PM (#37708929)
Sorry, but we don't allow this on HN. It violates the core principle of the site, which is curiosity.

I've banned the account until we get some indication that you won't do this any more.

Re:The Forbidden Topics by shadowfox on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:54AM (#37705180)
Given that the "First Amendment" is purely a US thing, and applies only to the Government curbing speech, I am not sure how much of this really applies anywhere else and in any other context?
Re:The Forbidden Topics by RetroTechie on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:02AM (#37705301)
There are some limits on free speech though. From the top of my head:

a) Speech that spreads outright lies about someone, damaging their reputation for the sake of that damage, etc (libel & related). Knowingly spread lies, prepare to be held accountable.

b) Outright calls to incite violence, call for one group of citizens to go out & attack another group, and so on. There is (and should be) no room for that in a civilized society.

(maybe more. IANAL)

The article is not about above exceptions.

Re:The Forbidden Topics by matt-attack on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:27AM (#37705646)
Libel isn’t not really a limit on the first amendment. It’s not a criminal offense and the government doesn’t have a law against it.

It’s just a civil offense for which you can be sued. So I think the language of the first amendment (the government shall pass no laws…) still stands true.

Re:The Forbidden Topics by eviks on Saturday September 30, 2023 @09:08AM (#37715066)
If the government didn't have a law, you wouldn't be able to sue

https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/11/hello-youve-been-referred...

"If you said something like "the First Amendment only stops the government from censoring you so it doesn't apply to this civil case, which is one individual suing another.""