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Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by moogly on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:23PM (#37696677)
Policing does barely anything. Putting one hard criminal in prison only opens up a power vacuum that 10 more people step up to want to fill. Since when has "tough on hard crime" ever "worked" unless you go completely nuts like, for example, Duterte in the Philippines?

This needs to be worked on much earlier by improving social programs and integration. It's a multi-decade job. Barring government led death squads (which I'm not proposing here, mind you), deterrence does not work.

Interviews with some of these young criminals (borderline child soldiers at this point) show that they do not expect to live past 20-25, so they really don't care.

Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by jacooper on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:26PM (#37696703)
> Policing does barely anything. Putting one hard criminal in prison only opens up a power vacuum that 10 more people step up to want to fill.

Unless the entire gang gets wiped, which they can do, but they dont.

> Interviews with some of these young criminals (borderline child soldiers at this point) show that they do not expect to live past 20-25, so they really don't care.

Thats an issue, because they will never say that if they stayed in their countries (pre-war).

Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by moogly on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:29PM (#37696740)
> Unless the entire gang gets wiped, which they can do, but they dont.

So death squads. How's that working out in Latin America?

Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by selectodude on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:33PM (#37696782)
Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by workfromspace on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:57PM (#37697048)
FYI: Here's Non-AMP version: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/7/could-el-salvadors-g...

(And here is archived version: https://archive.ph/ai2fQ )

Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by jiofj on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:24PM (#37696690)
It's always the same argument, "the only way to fix leeches is giving them more money".

Hasn't worked for gypsies for centuries, it's not going to work for arabs now.

Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by moogly on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:28PM (#37696725)
Many of these criminals are Swedish citizens (second generation). You want to deport them where exactly? Or do you want to put them in mega prisons that do not currently exist? That's pretty expensive too.
Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by jiofj on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:41PM (#37696890)
So since there's no simple solution nothing should be done?

They should be thrown into the ocean, if you want my suggestion.

Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by moogly on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:22PM (#37697264)
> So since there's no simple solution nothing should be done?

Didn't say that, quite the opposite, but yeah, I'll confess I can't outline how. Hard to say how to fix 30 years of systemic failure.

"Throw them in the ocean" is a bit underspecified too, to be fair, and the legality is questionable.

Re:Sweden turns to military to help police combat gang crime by temporarara on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:30PM (#37697335)
Pretty good idea IMO. I don't really know what makes people love gang members and other violent scum on the Earth. Surely they stop being murderous terrorists if we are just lenient to them. Bad people can thrive because good people are afraid to make it very clear that this kind of behaviour is not accepted and you will be dead or locked for life if you even try. Let's watch some TV shows that romanticises the criminals instead, and maybe listen to some some nice music that glorifies gangs...