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Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:31PM (#37684878)
Hm. Last I checked, the USA is #12 among nations in firearms deaths. Behind some other first-world countries.

Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by stereo on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:37PM (#37684918)
The death rate by firearm in the US is higher, per capita, than in all of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania. Gun deaths elsewhere are more criminality and gang related. There is no other country in the world with regular school shootings. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Eggsellence on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:45PM (#37684990)
Europe has mostly Europeans, Asia mostly Asians, Oceania (Aus & NZ) mostly Europeans.

Unsurprisingly, then, if you break down the rate of homicide by firearm in the US by race, you see similar statistics. ie. European/White Americans have a rate that puts them among the safer European countries; African Americans are among the highest in the world.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by mslt on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:40AM (#37685660)
Please tell me you’re not trying to say what it seems like you’re trying to say. There are few disadvantageous statistics in the us that don’t disadvantage the black community in the US, and there’s more than correlation to back up those relationships.
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Eggsellence on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:35AM (#37686085)
Of course I'd be flagged/banned for publicly suggesting a genetic factor behind that correlation, so I wouldn't do that. I only highlighted the correlation, and it is a very strong one, between race and rate of homicide by firearm in the US. Our own biases are going to heavily influence what we perceive to be the underlying reason behind this phenomenon.
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by rich_sasha on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:42AM (#37685676)
I think it's a stretch, to out it mildly, to imply that gun violence stats are a persistent derivative of race.
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Eggsellence on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:37AM (#37686109)
That may be, but it's an objective fact that gun violence stats are strongly correlated with race. You are free to investigate or speculate on the underlying reasons for that. I didn't offer my perspective.
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by defrost on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:41AM (#37686139)
What are your theories on why the high end mass shooters are almost entirely of European descent then?

The mass shooting in Vegas, in Tasmania, in Norway, in New Zealand, etc?

As an objective fact (your words) extreme mass shootings are strongly correlated with race.

The rest seem more correlated with economic circumstances.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Eggsellence on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:20AM (#37687578)
From what I see, it would seem most shootings in America are impulsive and reckless. A moment of rage, a perceived sleight or disrespect, over-excitement in the midst of a lesser crime such as robbery, for the sociopathic fun of it, etc. There is also an extraordinary disregard for the value of life - a recent example, though not firearm-related but it exemplifies the mindset, was the car thieves who hit and killed the cyclist deliberately for no reason. These are the domain of the black killer. It's usually random, spontaneous, thoughtless, and often even pointless. The exception involving any premeditation would be gang-related shootings.

Mass shooters are not so impulsive. They are patient, focused, and inspired. There's usually a great personal or political motive. They plan, prepare, train, strategise. This is the White man's domain.

Imagine the terror of a people with the killing proclivity of blacks and the killing capacity of Whites!

You might be surprised by how many "White" mass shooters in the US are on prescription pills (almost all of them), or are in fact Jewish/Asian/Hispanic. The US media loves a White shooter, truth be damned.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by pauldenton on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:03AM (#37700660)
Why don't inner city gang members shooting other inner city gang members and hitting innocent people in the crosshairs not count as a mass shooting? If you look at the mass shootings of the FBI most wanted they're not 90% Columbine wannabes, they're 90% people who engage in criminal behavior and have a criminal record engaging in violence against others with criminals records and unrelated innocents becoming collateral damage
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Eggsellence on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:30AM (#37703955)
Because all hell would break loose if the general American public understood the magnitude of the problem of black violence and crime. It doesn't align with the interests of political or media elites to demonise blacks, while they rub their hands gleefully over the prospect of an evil White shooter.

According to Wikipedia, 4 of the 6 sources for definitions of mass shootings in America specifically exclude "gang" related shootings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_...

How convenient.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by peteforde on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:42PM (#37684969)
I would find value in hearing why an intelligent person rolls their eyes instead of feeling righteous indignation.

It's really, really hard for me to understand why gun violence doesn't make you feel indignation, righteous or otherwise.

But right now, I am willing to listen.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday September 28, 2023 @08:28AM (#37688641)
I guess all the other preventable deaths - suicide, highway accidents, obesity. That we do little or nothing about - they've been unchanged or growing for decades.
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by yeetawayhn on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:04PM (#37691584)
Per the CDC:

>Excessive alcohol use was responsible for more than 140,000 deaths in the United States each year

Firearm deaths don't even break 5 digits.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by peteforde on Friday September 29, 2023 @05:00AM (#37701065)
I guess dudes shooting up public schools just hits different for some of us.
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by adgjlsfhk1 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:34PM (#37684900)
Wrong. #2 behind brazil https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death.... Per capita it's lower (around 12th), behind Venezuela,Guatemala, Colombia, Brazil,Puerto Rico, Honduras, Mexico, Haiti, Trinidad And Tobago, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, and Uruguay
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by scosman on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:33PM (#37684897)
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by beart on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:36PM (#37684915)
Doing a quick search puts the U.S. at number 2 in 2019, but I haven't studied this closely.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by confd on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:38PM (#37684934)
This comment could benefit from a reference. Although, a glance at the child comments suggests that there is some truth to this claim if we interpret the parent as referring to homicides.
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by et-al on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:37PM (#37684919)
Which countries do you consider first-world? Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia?
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by tessierashpool on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:37PM (#37684920)
Fun to write stuff like that and feel the righteous indignation. If only it were true.

Except you obviously moved the goalposts there.

The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else.

Hence the title.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Turing_Machine on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:11AM (#37689851)
Of the reported primary school attacks over the last 20 years, 20/85 have occurred in the United States, 65/85 have occurred in other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pri...

So much for "this is the only country where this happens".

Granted, some of these are "school stabbings" or "school bombings" or "school throwing kids out of a window", but the death tolls appear to be of similar magnitude. There are exceptions (e.g., Uvalde, where the death toll had more to do with police cowardice than choice of weapon).

The problem here isn't "guy has a gun", the problem is "guy wants to kill a bunch of people". Until the real problem is acknowledged, nothing is going to change.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by taylodl on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:29AM (#37690098)
> So much for "this is the only country where this happens".

Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by yeetawayhn on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:02PM (#37691561)
Why did you move the goalposts from "school" to "primary school"?
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by taylodl on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:46PM (#37693889)
Just referencing the statistic the parent commenter mentioned
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by tessierashpool on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:12PM (#37697178)
the person who moved those goalposts was the same person who moved all the other goalposts (i.e., not the person you replied to)
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Turing_Machine on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:56PM (#37699111)
It's not moving the goalposts. I linked to that page because Wikipedia breaks the data out in to three separate pages, and I didn't want to confuse the issue. At a glance, the data for secondary and post-secondary schools don't appear to be different in any meaningful way (though I did not take the time to count).

Besides, even one example would be enough to refute the OP's claim that "it doesn't happen anywhere else".

The salient point is that this is NOT the only country where this happens. Not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_sec...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pos...

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by tessierashpool on Saturday September 30, 2023 @10:35AM (#37715826)
I didn't want to confuse the issue

I’m sorry, but I do not believe you at all

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Turing_Machine on Sunday October 01, 2023 @01:10AM (#37722794)
I'm sorry, I don't care whether you "believe me" or not.

You: This is the only country where this happens.

Me: False. Here is some data that shows it happens in many other countries.

What is there to "believe" here? All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country. I found dozens. Linking to the other two lists (each of which also have many incidents in other countries) can only further destroy your incorrect assertion. There's no way those can magically make you right. Even if the other two both had zero (which they don't...far from it), that wouldn't matter in the slightest.

Take the L and move on.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by tessierashpool on Monday October 02, 2023 @01:28AM (#37734320)
The Onion, not me: "this is the only country where this regularly happens"

You: move every goalpost

All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country.

Is one isolated incident really all that is necessary to refute the Onion's assertion that this is the only country where this regularly happens?

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by Turing_Machine on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:57PM (#37699114)
You:

> Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens.

I beg to differ. That's exactly what was said.

OP:

> The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else.

(emphasis mine)

You:

> The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.

That's not what those data show. Plenty of attacks in China, for example.

Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by richev on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:33PM (#37684893)
[citation needed]
Re:'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Reg... by jhardy54 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:41PM (#37684954)
In case it saves anyone a minute or two, here’s a link that doesn’t strike me as super suspicious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_an...

- Intentional homocides per capita: 59th

- Firearms per person: 1st

- Firearm-related deaths per capita: 9th (and 1–8 are all in Central America or South America, with the exception of Jamaica)