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Re:Incorrect casual assumptions in the history of science by boomboomsubban on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:35PM (#37684081)
Definition arguments are by their nature pointless, these concepts have no universally agreed meaning, but it's even more silly in this example where you changed the term used from "first rank" to "first rate."

Plus, all the actual definitions given there are vague enough to not actually solve the ambiguity.

Re:Incorrect casual assumptions in the history of science by jhp123 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:56PM (#37684242)
the whole argument is about whether a sentence like "Hypatia was a first-rank mathematician" is accurate. Obviously that hinges on the definition of "first-rank" since no one is disputing her actual accomplishments or claiming that they really compare to all-time greats like Gauss or Archimedes.

It was the person I'm replying to who used "first-rate" actually. I don't think there's a big difference in meaning between the two.

Usage examples show nuance in the meaning of a word that are not captured in the definition.

Re:Incorrect casual assumptions in the history of science by boomboomsubban on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:19PM (#37684406)
>Obviously that hinges on the definition of "first-rank"

When figuring out the definition for a term used, the best source is the context it is used. In this case, Hypatia is the benchmark given for what qualifies as "first rank."

You can then argue the author is misusing that term, but that's a different argument that the article doesn't make.

Re:Incorrect casual assumptions in the history of science by cwillu on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:35AM (#37685622)
My understanding is that they're synonyms, more or less:

“By the early years of King Charles I's reign, these four groups had been renamed to a numerical sequence. The royal ships were now graded as first rank, the great ships as second rank, the middling ships as third rank, and the small ships as fourth rank. Soon afterwards, the structure was again modified, with the term rank now being replaced by rate, and the former small ships now being sub-divided into fourth, fifth and sixth rates” --wikipedia