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Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by have_faith on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:41AM (#37675349)
I personally can't wait for brands to start specifically advertising "doesn't use AI" as a selling point because everyone got burned by their AI controlled toaster, literally and figuratively. For anything designated an "appliance" I want it to be fixable by someone locally, or it's just throwing money away.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by elforce002 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:05AM (#37675690)
"AI" will create a new business model for sure: "Talk to a real person", "100% human made", etc. This would be the new counter-culture.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by vsareto on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:23AM (#37676015)
That's a new flavor of customer service jobs which will still suck and be paid terribly
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by elforce002 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:15PM (#37679774)
At least you'll be able to complain to someone, hehe.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by yamazakiwi on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:52PM (#37680304)
Unless that person is you... but in that case you would just complain to your coworkers so nothing really changes I guess
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by huytersd on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:24PM (#37682233)
That’s the current culture. How many times have you heard “I want to speak with a real person” or “artisanal hand made”.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by ctoth on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:28AM (#37676091)
> For anything designated an "appliance" I want it to be fixable by someone locally, or it's just throwing money away.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or AI for that matter? I agree we should have repairable appliances. I also want better AI.

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by kaibee on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:46AM (#37675416)
> For anything designated an "appliance" I want it to be fixable by someone locally

This is already pretty much gone thanks to manufacturers making it extremely difficult to fix things. No AI required.

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by 303uru on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:10AM (#37675776)
It's not gone, but is much more expensive up front. For example, everyone I know has a range or stovetop/oven with a circuit board or two in it, few if any replaceable parts, etc... That's basically the standard if you're in the 30" range that costs $1-2k market. Meanwhile, my 60" Bluestar has no circuit board, it has four mechanical electronic switches for the oven lights and convection. Everything else is brass valves, standard easily replaceable parts and so on. A few weeks back a convection fan went out and I replaced it in 5 minutes with a screwdriver. But, this range starts at $18k.

So yes, I see a market for bespoke non-AI.

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by OnlyMortal on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @01:28PM (#37678052)
Here’s where a toaster will be in the near future.

https://youtu.be/7folKbch3U8

Do we want this?

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by renewiltord on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:51PM (#37679428)
I'm sure that in 2045, the Hacker News of its time will be complaining about lack of AI-less devices the way it complains about lack of smart-less TVs. It'll be available, it'll be more expensive, and the people who claim they want it don't want it enough to pay the premium.
Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by Nfthero on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:30PM (#37680007)
I'm curious if we will reach a situation were the steam punk idea becomes reality:

People plugging weird stuff together like a ai chip from a car into a toaster.

If ai becomes hardware chips it could easily be that language processing will be a chip default feature and the rest is teachable like plugin ai chip level 3 into it, boot it and teach it that it's now a toaster.

But at the end we will have the same toaster in 30 years as we have had for the last 30 years.

Re:First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision) by PeterStuer on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:27AM (#37699981)
I'd rather pay for 'does not collect and sell your data. Does not play advertisements, is not remotely operable or accesible by anyone but the owner'

Sadly the market goes 100% full steam in the opposite direction.