And so is my apartment door. But I can open the door whenever I want and its not up to my landlord to decide which guests I invite.

Except that it is certainly up to everything you consume to demand that you install their app through their shitty third party store.

Imagine if your appliance manufacturer could dictate that you kept your door open for them.

So why do you think this hasn't happened in android yet?

Epic tried. So it has already happened.

Epic failed.

so close

Monitoring surveillance-style software is already commonplace, just not on iOS.

For example Bossware has been common since covid and it's not a stretch to imagine a future where health and other types of insurers use similar software to ensure that you're not partaking in risk. Consumers need more than every developer to act in good faith.

Example data collected by bossware surveillance applications include: keylogging, email monitoring, productivity tracking, screen recording, audio recording, camera recording, presence detectors, social media monitoring, time tracking, web browsing activity, location tracking, file search etc

Such apps would never receive approval from the app store, nor would they receive the necessary permissions to even ask for such invasive access.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/apr/27/remote-wo...

This is what laws, citizens rights and unions are for. You should not need to submit to a feudal lord such as apple in order to enjoy protection from such inhuman practices.

Only one of these approaches is working. So maybe it's a good thing to not eliminate the ability to choose

This reads like a modern retelling of the Stockholm syndrome and I cringe at this prevalent attitude on HN.

If you do not have choice on the platform, you are in a prison. That is why it's called jailbreaking.

Are you or folks that take this same tact marching on Microsoft and Sony with pitchforks to open up the OS and hardware for Xbox and PlayStation?

be it a good or bad thing aside it's not being clamored for yet Apple is being forced to because they're the largest company in the world. it's a double standard in thinking really and i just think folks should be consistent.

i have an xbox one x, it does what it was designed to do and it does it well. I have a desktop computer i built. it was designed to run anything that runs on x86 and designed to be open. so i run linux. i love it. i just figure i use the tools as they were meant to be used.

i am a bit inconsistent though ... i do support the asahi folks in their attempts at getting linux supported on m1 hardware. but they're not bemoaning apple's closed attitude to other operating systems on apple silicon they're taking more of the jailbreaker's approach of hacking their way in. more power to them. that's the rub i think. folks trying to use the courts or mobs to force the hand of a company to do a thing for hardware that was designed to be closed in the first place.

How would that be a bad thing? All that would mean is users get the best of both worlds, so yes please.

A phone is not a game console, and the opening of the hardware would be good either way.

You do have a choice. Buy an Android phone.

And if I want the better UI that comes with Apple, why should your stockholm-syndrome keep me in prison with it?

You want the Apple magic? You've got to drink the entire potion. It's all of a piece.

Build it in Android then?

I don't understand this 'I want what they have but I want them to change it for meeee' mindset. Everyone complaining appears to be a power user/hacker. Do it yourself then.

And I want a Siemens oven with a Bosch interface: some things you either make yourself or they are just not in the market.

If you want a fully customizable phone: build your own on Linux

Then buy the phone and accept the fact that life is full of hard choices. In a world filled with actual, important problems that need solving, I utterly fail to see why we should go whining to the government to intervene. The level of infantilism that surfaces whenever this topic comes up on HN astounds me.

So you can still stay behind the wall if you want while others can break from the prison))) that's the point

A wall is a contraption that you can take down if you fancy. A prison is not