macOS Sonoma is available today

Re:macOS Sonoma is available today by baz00 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:34AM (#37670963)

I haven't touched OpenBSD for a few years if I'm honest but one of the things that did not enrage me about it was that it didn't nag me to change anything once I'd got it working properly. I suspect that's part of it. There is a clear separation of OS and applications. Regarding all the other stuff I remember it mostly just worked. But of course that is within the realms of the particular package actually working in the first place, which is variable probability.

As for myself I got lazy and just use Windows 10. It doesn't enrage me if you turn off all the cloud shit, treat it like a file manager/window manager shell and run all your open source stuff on it. Again that works because there's a clear separation of OS and applications.

When you start mixing the two (hello Linux) it's where you get problems. I think snaps were an attempt to solve some of that (badly).

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Re:macOS Sonoma is available today by walteweiss on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:07AM (#37671174)

On Linux, I enjoy the idea that all the software can be interchanged. So there is no separation between the system and user installed software. For me, it’s difficult to grasp the minimalism of those other systems. When you clearly have your system as a rock that you cannot modify. I have very little experience (some theoretical and none practical) with BSDs, but it pains me there is a base system for macOS with an absolutely unused and not needed software, like Chess.

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Re:macOS Sonoma is available today by reacharavindh on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:30AM (#37671335)

You can install *BSDs with only the things you want. Same like you can on Linux. However, the question of default packaging holds on both sides.

Trying installing the default .iso of Fedora workstation or Ubuntu-latest and see all the things Gnome brings along.. Maps, Photos, IM client, even a bundled browser (Evolution or something) that is based on Firefox but dependednt on the few Gnome packagers to keep up to date(instead of just letting the user download Firefox on their own or shipping the latest firefox).

Even Archlinux, if you install Gnome-desktop, you get all the cruft. You need to explicitly find a way to install just the minimal gnome desktop without all its apps.

OpenBSD however, for a server usecase, comes with a very cohesive, sane set of tools carefully maintained by the folks who ship OpenBSD. If anything, they are very conservative about adding stuff to that ecosystem.

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Re:macOS Sonoma is available today by jefftk on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:40AM (#37672791)

> even a bundled browser (Evolution or something) that is based on Firefox

The Gnome web browser is based on WebKit (Safari) not Gecko (Firefox): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Web

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Re:macOS Sonoma is available today by wyclif on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:43AM (#37674567)

re: Arch Linux. You don't have to install gnome-desktop. If you use a window manager like dwm or i3 just install those and forget about Gnome.

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