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Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by nico on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:24PM (#37669085)
> Companies already send that clear message even without AI.

Companies are people. You are saying people running those companies are doing that to other people

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by andsoitis on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:50PM (#37669322)
> Companies are people.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. - Aristotle

Companies exhibit emergent behavior that might be hard, if at all possible, to predict if you only had a single individual as reference. For instance, most individuals would probably never agree to manufacture a weapon that is specifically requested to kill your neighbor. However, this same individual will show no empathy and remorse for their labor in a company that produces something that is used to commit incredible destruction to the earth, even contributing to the deaths of millions of people.

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by selestify on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:12PM (#37669498)
> For instance, most individuals would probably never agree to manufacture a weapon that is specifically requested to kill your neighbor.

Are you talking about gun manufacturing for law enforcement or military purposes? Because those weapons aren’t manufactured to kill one specific person (my neighbor).

If somehow the government were to pay me adequately to hand-craft a gun for the police or military, I would have no moral compunctions in doing so. I see no reason for the government to ask me to hand-make an inferior good at such high cost, though.

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by chromoblob on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:08PM (#37680550)
Which is obviously irrational, so maybe we shouldn't care about such individuals, at least in long term.
Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by FrustratedMonky on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:58PM (#37669380)
Companies are people, but not free from duress. Duress of having to eat, having a mortgage, having tuition, debt.

Everyone has a boss, and a budget to hit.

It is the Banality of Evil.

US corporations are full of layers of Middle management made of "Eichmann"s.

Be it violating environmental laws on dumping, covering up sexual abuse, or sending people to ovens.

It happens, has happened, and will get worse.

And yes, it will be done by humans to other humans.

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by nico on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:20PM (#37669573)
Are you then suggesting that it doesn’t matter? That we should just shrug and give up?

Or that we should just allow for any group of people to do anything to another group of people, because it just happens, it’s just human nature, so whatever?

I guess that’s kind of the way the US has been going for a while now

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by FrustratedMonky on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:38AM (#37673756)
Nothing I said even hinted at giving up.

Just because humans tend to create systems that tend to reward evil doesn't mean we can't try to be better.

The problem isn't capitalism or communism. Both are run by humans who could choose to be better.

I don't know how to improve humans. I know it isn't religion given it's tendency to just become another system that rewards evil.

Maybe it is just groups, humans don't do well in large hierarchies.

But not saying to give up, maybe just saying, stop arguing about capitalism versus communism, since they both can be good or bad depending on the humans that make it up.

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by nico on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:23AM (#37675098)
And who said anything about capitalism vs communism?

Seems like you are just arguing with yourself there

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by FrustratedMonky on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:19AM (#37675921)
Who? The entire thread, it is a common theme, in this post and every other post on AI. Sorry I was speaking outside you're singular comment.
Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by pixl97 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:07PM (#37669443)
Oh boy, if you have an hour of time, maybe you should think about reading

Meditations on Moloch

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by JohnFen on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:06AM (#37675710)
Companies are not people. They are engines of economic production that use people as one of their resources.
Re:Rethinking the Luddites in the Age of A.I by nico on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:28AM (#37676102)
You can conceptualice them however you want, but without people there are no companies

Companies are a completely made up concept. Made up by, you guessed it, people

People create them, people run them, people decide what to do with them

It’s the same for any organization

It’s people all the way down