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Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by dddnzzz334 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @03:54AM (#37655922)
If you use an operating system like macOS, don't be surprised that it prevents you from having the freedom to do anything with your hardware. You live in a prison.
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by cassianoleal on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:03AM (#37655982)
You're free to disable SIP, so your post makes no sense.

It's more akin to locking your front door. Keep it locked if you want the extra protection but feel free to crank the door open if you want the breeze to come in, but knowing that more than the breeze might do so.

Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by lopkeny12ko on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:22AM (#37656118)
Have you ever tried modifying the filesystem a couple levels under /?

Last I used a Mac I remember trying to create a new directory in / and writing to /bin (or something like that). I was appalled that Mac doesn't let you do anything other than read-only operations for select paths a few levels under root, and as I remember, there way no way to disable this asinine behavior.

Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by doctor_eval on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:34AM (#37656212)
I say this as someone who has used Unix, MacOS and Linux for most of his long life: not being able to write to /bin and other system directories is a feature and I really don’t understand how anybody in 2023 could see it otherwise.

Freedom does not just imply the ability to do the things you want, but also the ability to avoid the things you don’t.

Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by pasc1878 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @06:39AM (#37657286)
Why 2023 writing to /bin was always a bad idea in 1994 when I first used Unix and would have been so even earlier.
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by slonopotamus on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @07:06AM (#37657517)
You can just mount it readonly.
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by pasc1878 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:58AM (#37671117)
Yes which as I have said done since the early 1990s
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by cassianoleal on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:42AM (#37656268)
lol what?

What's the point of this exercise? Is this some kind of power play against the... operating system?!

Did this prevent you from achieving anything?

In any case, I'm fairly confident if you disable SIP and do a couple extra steps, you can get write access to those.

Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by prmoustache on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @05:38AM (#37656774)
OTOH it is the same for an "immutable" linux distro.
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by iFreilicht on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @06:31AM (#37657220)
That specific example doesn't seem to be an issue anymore. The Nix Installer creates /nix/store on macOS 13.5 just fine without disabling SIP. You do need admin rights of course.
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by k4rli on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:38AM (#37656231)
Seems like all counterarguments to this fact sound like people who aren't competent enough and/or don't understand the basics. There doesn't need to be a higher cognitive load using Linux and security arguments make even less sense.
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by highwaylights on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:01AM (#37655971)
I opt-in to a prison with trade-offs I deem reasonable for what I get out of it. I have a couple of Linux devices too.

Being interested in this project and simultaneously disappointed it requires SIP to be disabled are not conflicting views, even if a little unfortunate for me personally.

Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by pjmlp on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:26AM (#37656148)
People are free to buy the hardware they feel like.

Given the numbers of UNIX devs that rather use macOS than either pure BSD or GNU/Linux, that prison is quite comfy.

Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by irjustin on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:08AM (#37656023)
FWIW, i like the security without thinking. Yes, I give up freedoms but I gain a lot in lack of cognitive load.
Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by timeon on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:47AM (#37656317)
> You live in a prison.

It is just computer.

Re:macOS Containers v0.0.1 by jamil7 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:53AM (#37656355)
It's a prison if you base your whole personality on your choice of hardware and operating system.