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Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by ryukafalz on Monday September 25, 2023 @09:53AM (#37643827)
> But other than zoning it seems it would help more if the government would step in to disallow large leasing companies buying up giant swathes of the housing stock just to flip into rentals.

There was a timely video about this yesterday from Oh the Urbanity: https://youtu.be/BRqZBuu_Ers?si=NlavrFpm8sNTUcYp

Summary is that Rotterdam did just this, and the effect was that the price to purchase a house did not measurably decrease, and that rents rose. The neighborhoods regulated in this way had fewer immigrants and skewed wealthier than those that were not.

So, not the effect we're looking for.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by unethical_ban on Monday September 25, 2023 @10:21AM (#37644226)
If more people actually owned, that's a positive.
Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by ryukafalz on Monday September 25, 2023 @10:30AM (#37644414)
If the result of that is excluding lower-income people from living there, I disagree.
Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by gruez on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:10AM (#37645124)
1. Homeowners being a powerful political bloc and using that power to stop development is part of the problem in the first place

2. Buying a house makes sense if you're a starting a family and/or setting down roots, but that's not everyone's situation. Students or young professionals get utterly shafted by lack of rental housing, because they don't have the income or the credit to buy a house, and they don't intend on staying long they'll get eaten by the transaction fees.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by unethical_ban on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:58PM (#37648826)
You're not entirely wrong. Housing should be seen as more than just a place to live but less than a moneymaking investment - it should be seen as basic housing security for those who want roots as you said. NIMBYs do screw things over sometimes, I agree. And liquidity in mid-term housing supply is important. But I suggest that it would be better for society in the long term if more people had a stake in where they live.
Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by BluePen8 on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:30PM (#37649292)
By the time you’re a young professional your credit is honestly pretty decently established, hell I tried to buy a house on an internship and they qualified me for a 250k mortgage with a 48k salary.

Hell I know guys that went straight into the workforce after high school, nothing stopped them from financing 6 figure pickup trucks, and those depreciate badly in comparison and are harder to repo and re-sell.

Problem is, most places with work that won’t get you a place to live. Houses used to be 3x the median income, nowadays it’s more than 10x.

The idea of housing only being for very established people is new, and only due to its staggering costs nowadays. When my father moved to a town to wash dishes at a pub, he bought himself a house. Cost him 3x his salary.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by Workaccount2 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:15PM (#37646283)
The point is that the problem of mega corps is greatly overstated, and isn't really the root of the problem anyway. They are just an easy scapegoat.

Take them away and private "mom & pop" land lords quickly fill the void, and usually are much more stringent about who they will rent to and what they think a fair rent is.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by kbelder on Monday September 25, 2023 @04:05PM (#37649802)
Right. It's still the same amount of houses, and the same amount of people wanting a house, so the price is not going to shift much.
Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by escapedmoose on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:48PM (#37652370)
While I agree the mom and pop landlords also pose a problem, they don’t have the capital to outbid new buyers by tens of thousands, or to leverage dozens of existing properties. Bidding against them is not a perpetual David vs. Goliath battle.
Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by HelloMcFly on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:21AM (#37645308)
I think a tax on vacant properties is potentially a better way to go, though checking and enforcement could be the issue (exempting one's primary and maybe secondary homes); multi-unit housing would also be exempt.

This would place more downward pressure on rents and decrease the investment upside on buying.

I'm sure this is a bad idea in a number of ways I haven't considered.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by ryukafalz on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:56AM (#37645960)
Don't have sources offhand but my recollection is that vacancy taxes have also been tried before and, while they do have some effect, the vacancy rates in most locales with high costs of living are already low enough that it doesn't help that much.

Vacancy rate statistics include things that are pretty natural and you wouldn't really want to penalize, like an apartment being briefly vacant after the previous tenant moves out and before the next tenant moves in. So you can't just look at the rental vacancy rate in a city being (say) 3% and conclude that those 3% of units in the city are being held vacant and off-market. There may be some of those, but it's a far lower percentage.

Which is to say, institute a vacancy tax if you like (it won't really hurt if done sanely), but realize that it won't be a silver bullet here.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by ZoomerCretin on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:47PM (#37646810)
This is so difficult to enforce. You're going to have people go door-to-door checking if houses are vacant? What if someone goes on vacation? States require legibility. The simplest way to enforce high land and property utilization is to tax all property.

In California, for example, you have reports of people who move and use their old home in the Bay Area for storage because they're paying the same nominal property tax rate from 40 years ago. If they were paying a yearly 1% tax on the value of their property (instead of <0.05%), they'd rent or sell it immediately.

Same deal in China, except more extreme. Property _is not taxed_, so there are/were a lot of people building apartments and leaving them vacant, waiting for prices to rise over time.

Neither of these situations serve the material needs of people today who need cheap, high-quality, and abundant shelter.

Plus, your vacant property tax proposal excludes the (500k+?) many empty bedrooms in occupied homes. If someone's kids have grown and moved out, their old rooms are now vacant. How many people simply leave these rooms vacant for years and decades? A blanket property tax increase would strongly incentivize the renting of these rooms.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by brewdad on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:46PM (#37647784)
Maybe I'm just a grumpy old man but you'd have to raise my property taxes (already above the national median) by 3-4x before I'd even consider renting out our empty bedroom to a stranger. For starters, there's no legal or practical way to modify my home to allow either of us any sense of privacy or freedom to come and go without being a significant disruption to the other.
Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by jjav on Monday September 25, 2023 @09:10PM (#37653040)
> because they're paying the same nominal property tax rate from 40 years ago

This is a myth. Nobody is paying the same property tax from 40 years ago. Property taxes in California go up 2% every year under Prop 13.

It can be argued whether costs should increase faster or not, but in any case it is factually incorrect to say someone is paying the same as 40 years ago.

Re:Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate not seen sin... by HDThoreaun on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:03AM (#37660422)
Vacancy rates across the country are extremely low. Generally around 4-5% when it's next to impossible to get below 3% due to structural frictions around moving and repairs.