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Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by roody15 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:33PM (#37639084)
From the linked article:

“ The authors noted that research has shown that coronavirus-binding via angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors damages islet cells in the pancreas and may lead to diabetes.”

Hmm so the corona virus itself can damage the pancreas .. and possibly induce diabetes .

Also the MRNA vaccines can damage the pancreas by a similar mechanism. Interesting this part is left out of the posted article.

“ Binding of circulating S protein to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) (that is critical for the renin–angiotensin system balance) or to other targets, along with the possibility of molecular mimicry with human proteins, may contribute to the vaccination-related AEs. The benefit–risk profile remains in favor of COVID-19 vaccination, yet prospective pharmacovigilance and long-term monitoring of vaccinated recipients should be a public health priority.”

So imagine youth getting the vaccine … and then later getting the virus (like most of the country did). Both have a risk for damaging the pancreas.

https://www.cell.com/trends/molecular-m

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by 1MachineElf on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:48PM (#37639174)
This link is not working for me.
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by bglazer on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:48PM (#37639178)
The obvious followup question to this line of questioning is whether your proposed mechanism is robust enough to cause a 62% year over year increase. I don’t doubt that the spike protein could damage islet cells, frankly I’m not nearly expert enough to evaluate that claim. Assuming it did, I find it pretty unlikely that it causes this much of an effect. Most medicines intentionally designed to cause specific outcomes would be lucky to have an effect this strong.
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by roody15 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:59PM (#37639245)
Agreed. However the virus is relatively new as are the vaccines. We are still in the process of getting longitudinal information. The introduction of the spike protein does coincide with the dramatic rise of diabetes. You are correct this may not be the reason however it is still quite plausible that this is a largest contributing factor.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-66054946.amp

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by progman32 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:50PM (#37639193)
Your link is broken.
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by AuthorizedCust on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:35PM (#37639432)
> damages islet cells in the pancreas

That’s behind Type 1 diabetes. The headline suggests Type 2 is the topic?

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by pixl97 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:54PM (#37639531)
If you read the article there was also a nearly 20% increase in T1D. T1D is primarily caused by viral or autoimmune system actions. The T2 increase of 60% is likely because of comorbidities increasing the over all rate. Lower insulin output+less exercise.
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by pixl97 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:50PM (#37639512)
>Hmm so the corona virus itself can damage the pancreas .. and possibly induce diabetes .

Long time T1D here... ugh, this is bad news on top of all the issues that the world in general is experiencing around type 2 diabetes. Add to this that covid isn't going away and we're apt to experience a few more major strains that affect the population at large expect to see the diabetes crisis get far worse.

Will end up being another long term health care crisis unless we can find some way to protect against the behavior. Diabetic care is expensive, in the US directly, but even in universal healthcare countries, it is a very material, time, and effort requiring illness that needs continuous treatment and monitoring. Especially in the case of T1 where insulin and constant blood sugar monitoring is needed.

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by beanjuiceII on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:20AM (#37639648)
I've been struggling with acute pancreatitis ever since I got the vaccine.. I do not drink alcohol and I'm not over weight and have a great diet, so it was boggling to my doctor's at first why I had pancreatitis
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by m3kw9 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:47AM (#37639755)
But mRNA doesn’t replicate as much right? And it does not use the actual virus. Chances are that it doesn’t damage anything
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by swznd on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:08AM (#37639842)
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by lamontcg on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:52AM (#37640055)
> ...Binding of circulating S protein...

Vaccines don't cause circulating S protein at any levels that could cause damage to organs.

We can measure some S in the blood after vaccination, but it is at levels of femtograms per milliliter. Spike is confined within the cells that the vaccine enters and isn't sprayed around the circulatory system by the vaccine. What is displayed on the surface of those cells is the T-cell epitopes after the protein has been chopped up by proteases and those relatively short sequences are displayed on MHC for the immune system. The spike that leaks out is probably only due to those cells being lysed in the lymph nodes.

That is many orders of magnitude less of an exposure than someone who is infected and has literally billions of virus particles floating around expressing spike on their surface.

The vaccine won't cause any effects via circulating spike, that is just bullshit that was being spread early in the vaccine rollout. The reactions to the vaccine are going to be autoimmune-mediated.

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by verisimi on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:59AM (#37640430)
How did you do this research, if you did do any research? Did you verify this for yourself?

It's easy to read something and repeat it back - but if that's it, I want the original source of info to check for myself - I don't want an intermediary.

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by lamontcg on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:16AM (#37640520)
You should really start by asking the parent comment where they got their information or any papers showing the biological effect of spike on ACE2 receptors after vaccination.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-safe-idUSL...

This is the actual scientific article:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/4/715/6279075?login=...

Sorry, after 2.5 years I misremembered pg/mL as fg/mL but its all too small to matter.

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by throwaway290 on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:27AM (#37640571)
What are your thoughts on https://doi.org/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025 (AFAICT, correlation between post-vaccine myocarditis and detectable free spike, possibly due to individual differences in some adolescents causing slower(?) spike clearance)? Credible?
Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by haldujai on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:43AM (#37640663)
There's a very detailed commentary on that article you may find interesting.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.123.0...

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by lamontcg on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:44AM (#37640672)
I've suffered viral pericarditis before due to a cold, so I'm very aware of how the immune system can cause autoimmune inflammatory conditions (onset of my symptoms were weeks after my cold symptoms had completely cleared--the virus wasn't still around banging on my pericardium).

You don't need circulating spike to explain vaccine caused myocarditis. The vaccine produces an immune response. The initial immune response are low affinity antibodies. Those antibodies can sometimes target host cells accidentally. As somatic hypermutation happens in the months following the exposure to the antigen the high affinity antibodies that form (and which are boosted by a 2nd exposure to the antigen) are less likely to accidentally target host cells. This is presumably why I had a complete recovery after around 2 months and all I needed was an NSAID to tamp down the inflammation.

The obvious objection to that article is that correlation is not causation. It needs to be replicated, and there needs to be more than just speculation about a mechanism. There already exists a very well-known mechanism (autoimmunity) for the alternative explanation.

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by throwaway290 on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:31AM (#37642676)
Well, everything in science is correlation. Causation is a construct...

I am taking your comment to mean that you think it's not a credible paper? That's the main thing I wanted to know, it seems like you believe the paper implies something very unlikely and so authors have an agenda?

Re:Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pa... by nvm0n2 on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:53AM (#37640722)
You're overlooking the cases where the vaccine enters the bloodstream and itself is circulating, or gets transcribed and yields permanent spike production. Especially if combined with immune tolerance this can cause the observed effects where vaccines are directly triggering t1 diabetes (see my comments on another thread for study links showing this, including one from moderna itself).