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Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:21PM (#37628917)
23%. wow. I think we're all figuring out just how bad it is for a child to grow up without access to same-sex parent that they can form a strong bond with. Not having that at these rates is symptom of a very sick society. Anyone who tells you differently doesn't have their head on straight.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by autoexec on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:31PM (#37628993)
This study says nothing at all about that. Please take your bigotry elsewhere.

While there are clear advantages to children having same-sex role models there is no requirement that the role model be a parent.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:32PM (#37629001)
Only in a sick society is it bigotry to suggest that men need fathers.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:42PM (#37629051)
What is your goal here in this conversation?

Would you have the women stay with their abusers and their beaters so that the child can have “two parents”?

People don’t leave relationships because they’re good, safe and healthy.

Love is what helps a kid grow well and the comradery and care two adults can have for each other can be reflected into children no matter the gender of the adults who serve as examples.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:59PM (#37629144)
>the comradery and care two adults can have for each other can be reflected into children no matter the gender of the adults who serve as examples.

The love between a man and a woman is unique and no other arrangement replicates it.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:00PM (#37629151)
How so? Would you describe this uniqueness so that I may understand it?
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:18PM (#37629265)
How is AB different from AA or BB? Is this a trick question?
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:41PM (#37629378)
It's definitely not a trick question.

I'm more than confident you don't mean to imply that a child gains benefit specifically because a biological man has an outie and a biological woman has an innie and because innie and outie go together and that that's the "love" that only a man and a woman can have together in that particular "arrangement" and that, again, a child benefits from that.

So, since a child's life isn't impacted by the specific configuration that a penis and vagina can happen to join in, what do you mean?

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:01PM (#37629483)
It sure seems like a trick question, because it seems like you want me to define man and woman in a way that you can say "ha gotcha." Instead, I'm leaving the definition of man and woman to you, and only requiring that you know there is a difference. "AB" doesn't refer to the genital configuration, but it is a required component of the arrangement. Whatever a man is to you, in addition to having a penis, that's "A". Whatever a woman is to you, in addition to having a vagina, that's "B". If you don't see how that's a unique arrangement, then I'm afraid I can't continue to explain it while also assuming your interactions are in good faith.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:27PM (#37629610)
Alright, so it's not genitals, cool, cool and it's somehow "gender"-based that makes love across genders to be interesting.

Which philosophy of thought do you follow where gender would have an impact? Is this an argument about dominant / submissive? breadwinner / caretaker? Something else?

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:34PM (#37629640)
>Alright, so it's not genitals

I said genitals is "a required component of the arrangement." It's just not the whole thing.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:52PM (#37629741)
Ah, sorry, I misread that part, then.

Why do genitals matter?

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:02PM (#37629798)
Because it is the only combination that produces life.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:05PM (#37629813)
Sure; but what does the ability to produce life have to do with love?
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:13PM (#37629845)
Because the production of life in a loving relationship between a man and a woman is the best way to produce life.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by defrost on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:19PM (#37629872)
"Life" ?

Quantitatively false:

    According to the team, there are almost 20 quadrillion ants on Earth right now. That’s a 20 followed by 15 zeroes, which is a number that’s hard to really get your head around.
https://newatlas.com/science/how-many-ants-total-earth

In terms of tonnage and sheer numbers there are many many more ants than humans - clearly their method of producing life "wins".

As a quick heads up, they don't have loving two parent families.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:09AM (#37630057)
Human life, I thought it was pretty obvious that we were talking about humans, since men and women can't produce ants.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by mensetmanusman on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:25PM (#37629300)
Is evolution surprising?
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:45PM (#37629400)
What does the physical act of having the form of sex that can produce a child have to do, at all, with what happens after that child is conceived?

Evolution only operates on "ability to live long enough and put oneself in a circumstance that enables making a baby."

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by mensetmanusman on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:52PM (#37629999)
They are strongly linked in a social organism sense to maximize gene transfer to the future.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by wtallis on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:38PM (#37629025)
You're not merely suggesting, you're asserting that there's widespread evidence of a serious problem, without pointing to any.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:52PM (#37629097)
Got me, I totally made up this brand new social idea that men need fathers. It's so new and cutting edge that nobody has ever researched it or looked into it.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by wtallis on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:59PM (#37629473)
I see that your account is barely two weeks old, so in case you're new here, please take notice: this forum has standards [0]. You're posting in a manner that violates quite a few of the rules. Using snark and playing dumb to evade any risk of serious discussion will earn you a ban in any thread, with or without the context of your obvious undercurrent of bigotry.

As for this specific comment: you're still only pointing to hypotheses rather than evidence. And there are enough really obvious counterarguments that there's no way to pretend you're trying to engage in serious conversation.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:15PM (#37629552)
It sounds like you're upset that I am pointing out the obviousness of thing you're requiring evidence for, and you're jumping to my use of sarcasm as a technical rule break to threaten reporting me.

I'll make my point without sarcasm then: Asking for proof that "men need fathers" is so common sense and obvious that denying it suggests to me that there is no evidence that you would accept. If you're serious and actually want me to find you studies, please describe, in detail, what evidence would change your mind. I want to have a clear understanding of the requirements and goal posts before I make effort towards that. If you don't want to do that, then unfortunately I can only conclude the question was in bad faith.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by wtallis on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:47PM (#37629713)
> Asking for proof that "men need fathers" is so common sense and obvious that denying it suggests to me that there is no evidence that you would accept.

You think I'm denying your claim that "men need fathers". That's because you're spoiling for a fight instead of trying to have a reasonable conversation.

Before I can take you seriously, you need to start showing some awareness that there are potential alternative explanations for what you claim is too obvious to require evidence. The questions and criticisms your comments raise and the fallacies your comments perpetrate are obvious and plentiful enough that you should be able to anticipate at least some of them yourself, and preemptively respond to them as a way of strengthening your case and making your comments substantive. Instead, you're continuing to make low-effort comments and treating this forum like a playground for your trollish behavior.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:52PM (#37629739)
So it seems you're not interested in evidence of the thing you claim to seek, because you're not willing to define what would convince you, so that I can use that to find materials that fit your criteria. Ok, have a nice day :)
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by defrost on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:55PM (#37629756)
It's not just wtallis, I also second the opinion that you're failing to provide any comments of substance here.

You could be making a case, instead you're just demanding others carry your water for you.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by Supply5411 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:01PM (#37629793)
A case for why men need fathers? These Kafkaesque lines of questioning don't make it clear what people are actually upset about or want to learn more about.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by anon291 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:03PM (#37629178)
> there is no requirement that the role model be a parent.

Requirement no. Advantage yes.

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by autoexec on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:05PM (#37629186)
It is also an advantage for children to be raised in homes where their parents are billionaires, but that doesn't make every other family unfit.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by anon291 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:10PM (#37629227)
Sure. As long as we're clear that a mom and dad are best, I'd agree
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by autoexec on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:17PM (#37629260)
You're confused. Just because there is an advantage in one area that does not make something optimal. Moms and dads are great. What actually matters tho is that children are exposed to men and women who love and support them so that they can learn from them and from the dynamics of their relationships.
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by anon291 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:37PM (#37629350)
Okay. So you don't believe having both male and female parents is an advantage over having same sex on s anymore? I'm not talking about optimal. I'm talking about better than the alternative. All else being equal, should we prefer to place a child in sate custody with a mother and father or to same sex parents. By your statement on it being advantageous above, I'd say we should prefer mom and dad. But now you're contradicting yourself
Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by clipsy on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:01PM (#37629484)
> So you don't believe having both male and female parents is an advantage over having same sex on s anymore?

No.[0]

[0]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/03/06/kids-rais...

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by autoexec on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:36PM (#37629940)
> Okay. So you don't believe having both male and female parents is an advantage over having same sex on s anymore?

Living with both a mother and father can certainly have its perks. The main one being easy accessibility to a role model of both sexes. There are plenty of other situations that would provide that same advantage though.

Families come in all kinds of configurations, especially when you get into multi-family/generational living situations, none of which is inherently better or worse for the child by sole virtue of the sex of the those involved.

Child A with living with a mother and father isn't guaranteed to be better off than Child B living with two fathers. Just like Child B isn't guaranteed to be worse off than Child C who lives with a mother and a grandmother and a grandfather even through there are benefits to having more people in the home caring for and watching over the child.

It's like saying that having two kids, one a boy and one a girl is "best". It absolutely has its advantages sure, but that doesn't make it best or mean that anything other than that is "worse".

Re:U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in singl... by t-writescode on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:54PM (#37629445)
There's a layer below what is being said here and the implication thereof that I'm afraid you may be missing.

It doesn't actually matter what is "best", what matters is what is possible. The world doesn't run on "best", ever. It runs on "good enough" or "better". When people push for the ideology that I read as you asking for us to agree on, the results tend to be harmful.

You say "two parents that birth their child and stay together are best". The words gets twisted "being a single parent hurts your child"; "having a step parent hurts your child"; "having same-sex guardians hurts the child". Then the policy gets made that harms even further, "same sex couples cannot adopt", "divorce is illegal"; or, the lesser form, harm is caused to the child through broken families who have been tricked into believing that "it's good for them to stay together for the sake of the child".

Stances and arguments and acquiescing to those perspectives has a tendency to walk down very harmful paths very quickly; and, if it's not your intent to push or argue for the policies listed above, it absolutely is what the people you're referencing will push or have pushed, or people who come after you will push.