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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by scott_w on Saturday September 23, 2023 @02:00PM (#37625689)
Because, ironically, a show that only rich people can afford to attend will be pretty terrible. Rich people tend not to loudly enjoy the show, so the atmosphere isn't there. This is bad for the rest of the audience and for the performer. It's hard to put 100% in when all you can see is a bunch of people staring solemnly at you.

It happens in football (soccer for my American friends) for clubs like Man Utd (and probably Man City now) where ticket prices are out of reach of working class fans. The visiting fans make a point of trying to out-sing the local support then insulting them for only being there because the club is winning trophies. All football fans know the song "where were you when you were shit!"

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by peteradio on Saturday September 23, 2023 @02:40PM (#37626094)
Why is it that rich people are solemnly staring in general? You'd think they'd be whooping it up on account of being made.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by AussieWog93 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @06:00PM (#37627942)
Probably a case of people knowing how to reach their mouth shut climbing hierarchies faster ;)
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by Horffupolde on Saturday September 23, 2023 @07:41PM (#37628687)
If you have to ask
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by kortilla on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:40PM (#37629042)
Rich people involved in business or politics have reputation risk and can’t be seen “letting loose”. See the Dean Scream.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by diego_sandoval on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:58PM (#37630022)
Meanwhile, Steve Ballmer:

"Developers, developers, developers, developers. Developers, developers, developers, developers!!! Yes!!!"

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by TeMPOraL on Sunday September 24, 2023 @04:42AM (#37631233)
That's the difference between being almost, but not quite at the top, vs. actually being there. Dean would've fared differently if he won first, and then did his scream.

But either way, both Dean's and Ballmer's examples are marketing stunts, a calculated performance - that's entirely different to rich people honestly letting loose at a concert.

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by sireat on Sunday September 24, 2023 @05:41AM (#37631554)
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by TeMPOraL on Sunday September 24, 2023 @05:55AM (#37631623)
Fair. But I'll still write this off as stuff you can get away with once you're on top, but not while on your way there.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by jowea on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:56PM (#37639536)
I think tech just works by different rules.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by watwut on Sunday September 24, 2023 @04:35AM (#37631191)
Poorer people who would just stare do not buy tickets. Simple as that. When the price gets very high, you are filtering attendees by who has a lot of money - not by enthusiasm.

If the ticket is cheap for me, I can go even if I don't like the band too much. And with very expensive tickets, many enthusiasts won't pay while rich non-enthusiasts are bigger part of audience.

Meanwhile, if tickets are cheaper but you have to jump hoops to get them, you get enthusiasts.

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by jvm___ on Saturday September 23, 2023 @06:32PM (#37628171)
Toronto Maple Leafs games too, if you're watching wearing a suit because you're actually using it as a client bribe, then you're not as into the game as you could be.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by ActorNightly on Saturday September 23, 2023 @07:51PM (#37628744)
You can do dynamic pricing. Have a reasonably strong identifier ticket app that is tied to a device, ip address, voice print id, and phone number. Have people put in bids for the ticket (with a minimum floor price), weigh each bid by some determination of "fan strength", like willingness to travel larger distance to see a show, then select winners based on a bell curve distribution of bids.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by keltex on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:03PM (#37629176)
Related article: The reason why Billy Joel refuses to sell front row seats at his concerts

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/reason-why-billy-joel-refuses-s...

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by gnicholas on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:41AM (#37630427)
More detail: he doesn’t sell them, he has his crew go pull excited fans from the regular admission area and bring them to the front, where they’ll be even more excited. He doesn’t leave the front row empty.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by petepete on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:28PM (#37629311)
> Rich people tend not to loudly enjoy the show, so the atmosphere isn't there

These people were so eloquently described by Manchester United captain Roy Keane, as 'the prawn sandwich brigade'.

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by envsubst on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:17PM (#37629560)
> Rich people tend not to loudly enjoy the show, so the atmosphere isn't there

Citation needed.

Rich people are the main audience at all organized events of all kinds. Do you think you can take you and your kids to an NFL game if you're poor? The main attendees of Taylor swift? Women in late 20s - mid 30s working corporate jobs.

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by resolutebat on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:21AM (#37630093)
Billy Joel: “I’d look down and see rich people sitting there, I call ’em ‘gold chainers.’ Sitting there puffing on a cigar, ‘entertain me, piano man.’ “They don’t stand up, make noise, [they just] sit there with their bouffant haired girlfriend lookin’ like a big shot. I kinda got sick of that, who the (heck) are these people, where are the real fans?”
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by gist on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:06AM (#37630291)
Says Billy Joel most likely far richer than at least a typical front row seat buyer. Btw while I would consider myself a fan I'm not obsessed with Billy Joel and also he has certainly how do you say 'his issues' (ie addictions and so on).

Also who is to say because they don't act ridiculous or obsessed they aren't 'real' fans. What is a real fan anyway? I hadn't heard there was a universal accepted definition.

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by EliRivers on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:45PM (#37635361)
Says Billy Joel most likely far richer than at least a typical front row seat buyer.

I suspect, though, he doesn't sit quietly in the front row of his own concerts, so that's not really relevant to the point he makes.

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by iainmerrick on Sunday September 24, 2023 @04:26AM (#37631151)
Reminds me of John Lennon’s famous cheeky jibe at the Royal Variety Performance:

“For our last number I’d like to ask your help. Would the people in the cheaper seats clap your hands? And the rest of you, if you’ll just rattle your jewellery.”

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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by gist on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:07AM (#37630299)
Unclear how a rich person can even be defined at all. It's a pretty wide swath of differing income levels as well as assets.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by dopa42365 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:42AM (#37630431)
Did you not hear the super bowl team chants played on the speakers? Atmosphere of a snooze fest. That show is way too far in the exclusivity direction to allow any fun at all.
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Re:Why Scalpers Can Get Olivia Rodrigo Tickets and You Can't by scott_w on Sunday September 24, 2023 @04:04PM (#37636639)
Right here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37629176

I can’t speak to the USA sports, I’m specifically talking about English football which is generally quite affordable for most working class people. I’ve bought tickets to games myself.

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