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Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by throwbadubadu on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:48AM (#37623749)
"However, there was uncertainty about the possibility of these to resume functioning after facing extremely low temperatures of the lunar night which can go as low as -200 degrees Celsius.

Moreover, its battery needed to remain at a certain level to be able to recharge again with the solar dawn."

Naive guy would think that alone can and would be extensively tested on earth?

Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by toast0 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @11:02AM (#37623878)
> Naive guy would think that alone can and would be extensively tested on earth?

The article says the probe achieved its objectives in the first active period. This attempted wakeup was for bonus time.

Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by NortySpock on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:04PM (#37624469)
And it would have been designed to achieve all those objectives in the 14-day lunar sunshine period.

You could design a car that runs for a billion miles, but no-one could afford it. You pick a reasonable lifespan for a project and target your specifications around that.

Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by pixl97 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:07PM (#37624491)
Ya, and the Indian mission was already one of the lowest budget successful missions there has been. The US is one of the few countries that can spend billions on missions where the lander may last months/years longer than expected.
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by warkdarrior on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:25PM (#37624684)
> as low as -200 degrees Celsius... can and would be extensively tested on earth?

It never ever gets this cold in India, not even close. How would you test that??

Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by moralestapia on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:34PM (#37624802)
This is a troll post, right?
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by flashgordon on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:29PM (#37624732)
We probably found it cheaper to build it, send it, test it than build a lab to get to -200°c :)
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by Halfwhit on Saturday September 23, 2023 @04:48PM (#37627409)
I too like to live dangerously and test in production
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by AwaAwa on Saturday September 23, 2023 @07:17PM (#37628545)
Hopefully you never get to peek behind the scenes of much of the world's running infrastructure.
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by xorbax on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:38PM (#37629656)
You have to build the thing and test every possible problem before you build it again and do it for real

We all know everyone is perfectly willing to pay and wait for thorough testing so it works perfectly

Nobody would ever underfund something and then complain about how the final product didn't produce 150% of what was promised

Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by toast0 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @02:50AM (#37630746)
Everyone tests in production. Some people also have additional environments to test in.
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by brushinator on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:37PM (#37624839)
And yet the lunar lander and the astronauts on the moon did just fine. Did the lunar lander and the body suits have heaters?
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by kjkjadksj on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:40PM (#37624862)
They did, but they also left before the lunar night.
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by evgen on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:29PM (#37625367)
The humans inside the suits and lander also provided some useful heat. For most spacecraft, once you put humans into them the problem changes from conserving heat to getting rid of it.
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by brushinator on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:30PM (#37625368)
Ok so at 120 degrees C got it
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by NamTaf on Saturday September 23, 2023 @06:15PM (#37628041)
Kinda crazy what effect different albedos have, isn’t it? :)
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by seabass-labrax on Saturday September 23, 2023 @03:13PM (#37626404)
If you haven't already, I would highly recommend watching 'Apollo 13'[1]. On a technical basis it is really accurate to the real-life events. The astronauts having to shut down the lunar lander's (LEM) heating system comes into the story about half way through. It's one of my all-time favourite films!

[1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112384/

Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by to11mtm on Saturday September 23, 2023 @06:11PM (#37628010)
Or, if you want to be a purist, there's this. [0](thank you whoever submitted this to HN a while back!)

[0] - https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/

Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by seabass-labrax on Saturday September 23, 2023 @06:19PM (#37628067)
Wow, that's amazing. I'm know what I'm going to be doing on Sunday!
Re:India fails to re-establish communication with its Moon p... by jackmott42 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @07:46PM (#37628721)
They didn't last 14 days or try to survive the lunar night, and we spent a rather large % of our GDP on the project, while India's landing was an order of magnitude cheaper than any previous moon lander.