Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by partomniscient on Saturday September 23, 2023 @03:49AM
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I'm pretty sure set and setting are way more important factors than declaring 'n' is the right amount.
So, to put it bluntly no. It's not that simple or comparable and the study already shows it affects different people differently with some ending up resulting in a negative experience overall.
This is one of the key problems with the capitalistic approach to modern medicine - you do the trials, you get approval based on the majority result, Done. There's not much research into what doesn't fit and why it doesn't fit, because there's no money in it.
Yet all the end-users of the supposed cure that aren't in that majority actually end up suffering more because once you find out something doesn't work for you you get rejected by the system, or put on the 'try a different one' endless go-round. This is way more of a problem in mental rather than physiological health, because emotional states are much less consistent and harder to quantify than things like blood pressure or iron levels etc. etc.
That being said, if you do fit the majority then maybe you can just add it to your set of stuff you take.
One does have to wonder why we need to medicate ourselves to cope with reality rather than change reality instead. My gut feel is because its easier to understand/influence. Doesn't mean its the correct thing to do, its just something that is achievable and makes things better. Kind of like using humour as coping mechanism to avoid a situation.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by yieldcrv on Saturday September 23, 2023 @03:56AM
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> it affects different people differently with some ending up resulting in a negative experience overall
I mean 7% having a negative experience after a few months of use is better than coffee right?
I don't know coffee's stats but people that are co-dependent on coffee think its waaaay more normalized than it is. 17.5 drink decaf which is like 95% less caffiene, basically trace amounts
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by jrflowers on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:16AM
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This is a good idea. If you are concerned about how people might object to the usage of one word, it is best to use another without looking up the definition. It’s a sign of a germane turgid intellect, heretofore.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by partomniscient on Saturday September 23, 2023 @04:01AM
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>Participants were primarily college-educated White men residing in the United States with a prior history of psychedelic use; mean age = 40 years. Participants primarily used dried psilocybin mushrooms (mean dose = 3.1 grams) for “self-exploration” purposes.
I think the participants already don't represent the everyday person or even coffee drinker, but I certainly don't disagree with your last statement either.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by konfusinomicon on Saturday September 23, 2023 @02:18PM
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if the average person was accustomed to taking 3g of science grade mushrooms this world would be very different lol...oh no Mr. Dinosaur, I don't think that was a microdose!
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by improv on Saturday September 23, 2023 @10:09AM
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>One does have to wonder why we need to medicate ourselves to cope with reality rather than change reality instead.
Psychedelic therapy can reveal things about your reality that you may have been completely blind to or unaware of, thus enabling you to change it.
To use these substances properly, it's not just about taking the substance and having an enlightening experience and then being done with it.
It's about taking what you learned about your reality, what you want to change about it, and then integrating/implementing that into your every day life in the weeks, months, and years afterwards. That's where the real work is.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by orasis on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:54PM
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“One does have to wonder why we need to medicate ourselves to cope with reality rather than change reality instead.”
A lot of our problems are due to self deception. One thing psychedelics are good for is being able to see through the lies we tell ourselves and face the facts about our behaviors.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by omgyesss on Saturday September 23, 2023 @03:40PM
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lol. Psychedelics work the other way just the freaking same. Almost all the regular psychedelic drug users I know are liars and deceivers who abuse weaknesses of people for their advantage and fun and if someone points at the truth and/or challenges them and their ways of thinking, they lash out and start to damage the person behind their back.
Use of psychedelics in the general population will do a lot of harm. It ruined the hippies and their kids and broke the red team almost to the point of no return. It also makes subliminal marketing so much more efficient.
None of what I said changes the effect of better well-being, though.
Jerk, rapist, thief, serial-killer, market manipulator, war dog? Psychedelics will make you feel better. Victim? Well, they might make it better if you use enough drugs long enough.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by orasis on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:52PM
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Nah, while it’s good for mental health, it’s not a productivity enhancer. It can be hard to focus on complicated concepts or even recall facts like people’s names.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by washadjeffmad on Saturday September 23, 2023 @06:17PM
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I do daily Tiger's Milk and Lion's Mane, which are synergistic with psilocybin, but you generally only do psilocybin to a threshold every 72-hrs if you're "dosing".
Honestly, while these things can help, they aren't cognitive panaceas. They won't teach you pacing or how to manage your stress, they're not substitutes for active improvement efforts, and you won't suddenly have better ideas.
I don't recommend them or discourage their use, but if they might help you realize that maybe you shouldn't be living in a way that required coffee all the time, that naps are natural and you can take them when you want and not be less of a person, or that maybe trying to fit your natural rhythm to something that doesn't suit you isn't the smartest way to live, then I'd say that's great but that you also don't need a mushroom to convince you of that.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by CommitSyn on Monday September 25, 2023 @10:46AM
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Spores have remained legal forever here in the states because unlike seeds, spores don't contain traces of the banned substances, and there have been legal spore syringe sellers and sterilized substrate-bag sellers etc. since the beginning of internet forums. With a little patience and guidance it's always been there for anyone wanting to try.
Or you could buy a book of mushrooms native to your area, identify the funguys, and take a walk foraging.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by devmor on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:51AM
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It seems to me that this kind of study is a necessary precursor to proper controlled studies, given the current legal restrictions of the subject matter.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by sph on Saturday September 23, 2023 @04:34PM
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What's the 2023 equivalent of the Silk Road? So many interesting developments in the world of psychedelics, still extremely illegal. Last time I had magic mushrooms, I ordered a box of dirt (with spores) online from a Dutch head shops. Surprisingly easy and quick to grow. That's more than 10 years ago, I doubt these grow kits are still legal.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by CommitSyn on Monday September 25, 2023 @10:48AM
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See my other comment, this is all still perfectly legal until you combine the spores with substrate with the intent to grow the mushrooms. You can buy the spore syringes ready to inject into the pre-sterilized substrate bags. Open, inject, wait.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by CommitSyn on Monday September 25, 2023 @10:51AM
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Risky for the seller, not as much for the buyer who only has to learn to say "no, I didn't order that" and not be pursuaded into saying "yes, I ordered that."
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by oktoberpaard on Sunday September 24, 2023 @04:41PM
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In the Netherlands selling magic mushrooms is illegal since 2008 (after some incidents), but magic truffles can still be legally bought online and in shops. Buying spores and growing magic mushrooms yourself is still possible and completely legal for as far as I’m aware.
Re:Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting im...
by sandspar on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:01PM
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My observation after many years of being in these circles: mushroom use makes people happy in a "la dee dah" way and at the same time causes significant damage to people's ability to think skeptically.
So, to put it bluntly no. It's not that simple or comparable and the study already shows it affects different people differently with some ending up resulting in a negative experience overall.
This is one of the key problems with the capitalistic approach to modern medicine - you do the trials, you get approval based on the majority result, Done. There's not much research into what doesn't fit and why it doesn't fit, because there's no money in it.
Yet all the end-users of the supposed cure that aren't in that majority actually end up suffering more because once you find out something doesn't work for you you get rejected by the system, or put on the 'try a different one' endless go-round. This is way more of a problem in mental rather than physiological health, because emotional states are much less consistent and harder to quantify than things like blood pressure or iron levels etc. etc.
That being said, if you do fit the majority then maybe you can just add it to your set of stuff you take.
One does have to wonder why we need to medicate ourselves to cope with reality rather than change reality instead. My gut feel is because its easier to understand/influence. Doesn't mean its the correct thing to do, its just something that is achievable and makes things better. Kind of like using humour as coping mechanism to avoid a situation.
I mean 7% having a negative experience after a few months of use is better than coffee right?
I don't know coffee's stats but people that are co-dependent on coffee think its waaaay more normalized than it is. 17.5 drink decaf which is like 95% less caffiene, basically trace amounts
It's just "dependent" or "addicted"", codependency is something else entirely
I think the participants already don't represent the everyday person or even coffee drinker, but I certainly don't disagree with your last statement either.
Psychedelic therapy can reveal things about your reality that you may have been completely blind to or unaware of, thus enabling you to change it.
To use these substances properly, it's not just about taking the substance and having an enlightening experience and then being done with it.
It's about taking what you learned about your reality, what you want to change about it, and then integrating/implementing that into your every day life in the weeks, months, and years afterwards. That's where the real work is.
A lot of our problems are due to self deception. One thing psychedelics are good for is being able to see through the lies we tell ourselves and face the facts about our behaviors.
Use of psychedelics in the general population will do a lot of harm. It ruined the hippies and their kids and broke the red team almost to the point of no return. It also makes subliminal marketing so much more efficient.
None of what I said changes the effect of better well-being, though.
Jerk, rapist, thief, serial-killer, market manipulator, war dog? Psychedelics will make you feel better. Victim? Well, they might make it better if you use enough drugs long enough.
I really look forward to more studies exploring use of psylocybin.
> any chance the correct dose of this becomes the new caffeine or coffee?
Surely not with a micro dose?
Honestly, while these things can help, they aren't cognitive panaceas. They won't teach you pacing or how to manage your stress, they're not substitutes for active improvement efforts, and you won't suddenly have better ideas.
I don't recommend them or discourage their use, but if they might help you realize that maybe you shouldn't be living in a way that required coffee all the time, that naps are natural and you can take them when you want and not be less of a person, or that maybe trying to fit your natural rhythm to something that doesn't suit you isn't the smartest way to live, then I'd say that's great but that you also don't need a mushroom to convince you of that.
Until we get proper controlled studies we don't need to talk about that imho
https://www.monash.edu/medicine/scs/clinical-psychedelic-lab...
I found out recently that they have 91,000 members, and counting.
There has to be a way, the cat's out of the bag and has been for years.
Or you could buy a book of mushrooms native to your area, identify the funguys, and take a walk foraging.
Whether you get put on a list to get a knock at 3am later… probably not unless you start selling grown shrooms.
Simple as